Stealing others kills

[SnaponTools]

kk FYI i have just been informed by staff that even if a monster is locked on u if u havent done damage to it isnt called kill stealing. so just to let every one know before they page about steal killing from u r someone pages on u for doing it

[anarchy]

that is correct if you have done 0 damage then you have not engaged the monster thus you can't steal a kill if someone hasn't engaged the kill

[Draconomicon]

First person to damage a creature has dibs on it. I don't mind this reasoning.

In most games it's the person who has aggroed the enemy that has dibs on it.

However, when I see a player in an area I usually move on to the next out of politeness.

[anarchy]

well i remember a time when people used to sit under a shadow caster with a bio and kill just shadows. i killed the shadow caster and he calls kill stealer. :O normally i do just kick rocks, but the dude was a boob.

[Xavian]

First damage =/= your kill.. Your target = your kill.. If you are surrounded by 8 critters using a WW weapon, you are only entitled to one of them, other 7 are free game.. At least that is the way I have understood it

[MKaros]

I'm pretty sure if you applied that logic to the definition of kill stealing people would have a conniption.

If person A is surrounded by 8 critters and they're whirlwinding them, and person B walks in and starts picking off the low ones with a bow and looting them, I'm pretty sure that if person A pages about this behavior, person B has a cell with his name on it.

Similar scenario - person A is fighting 2 balrons in Blood. One of them is at 30% HP and the other one is at 80% HP. Person B walks in and kills and loots the one at 30% because person A is firing arrows at the one at 80% (obviously, person A was targeting the one at 80%). By your logic, person B did not do anything wrong and behaved properly.

[Evadad]

Ok, since I just had 2 issues with this, let me ask some questions about this issue.
1} Player 1 and Player 2 are sitting at mel when Player 3 arrives... Mel is attacking Player 1, who is afk (see rant about afk at end of post) and in no danger due to handy instaheal macro. Player 2 is also afk, sitting nearby. Does Player 3 have the right to attack and kill Mel? Whom does the loot belong to? If Mel has been damaged from RPD does that count as engaging?
2}Lets say Player 1 wakes up and kills mel [player 1 is much stronger than player 3 and can whittle her health down much faster]
then leaves. Player 2 wakes up from being afk minutes later and claims next... Who has rights to next round? Player 2? 3?
---AFK rant--- I cant honestly say I know the exact rule about what afk is, but in my little old opinion..... If you are not looking at your screen, playing the game...... YOU playing, not macro's while you watch TV... you are AFK
---In regards to claiming peerless.... If you are AFK, I believe you forefit your spot.

[SnaponTools]

all i know is that i was told by staff if uve done damage to any around u (any with damage) is urs and they cant steal it, if ur doing damage to only one they can take anywith no damage. at mel not sure if theres anyway to tell if they r truely afk only if they r hidden do they get skiped and lose thier turn

[Johnny Warren]

They have to have damage done to them for the mob to be urs? That's terrible... well there goes my strat of doing a couple of quick circles in a room to get every mob aggroed onto me so I can kill them efficiently... That is just lame.

As Drac said I have the decency to walk away if a person is surrounded by mobs and go elsewhere. But by the rules i guess i'll start charging in and picking off the ones that have yet to be hit. And what then happens when all of my mobs surrounding me are on 99%hp due to RPD and someone starts hitting them?

Very very silly way to determine if you have the right to a mob. It should purely be if the mob is aggroed onto you its yours. Thats the way its been on any and every mmo I have played where there aren't enough spawn to go around.

[Namorah]

Ok, since I just had 2 issues with this, let me ask some questions about this issue.
1} Player 1 and Player 2 are sitting at mel when Player 3 arrives... Mel is attacking Player 1, who is afk (see rant about afk at end of post) and in no danger due to handy instaheal macro. Player 2 is also afk, sitting nearby. Does Player 3 have the right to attack and kill Mel? Whom does the loot belong to? If Mel has been damaged from RPD does that count as engaging?
2}Lets say Player 1 wakes up and kills mel [player 1 is much stronger than player 3 and can whittle her health down much faster]
then leaves. Player 2 wakes up from being afk minutes later and claims next... Who has rights to next round? Player 2? 3?
---AFK rant--- I cant honestly say I know the exact rule about what afk is, but in my little old opinion..... If you are not looking at your screen, playing the game...... YOU playing, not macro's while you watch TV... you are AFK
---In regards to claiming peerless.... If you are AFK, I believe you forefit your spot.

There is a rulebook up by Mel near a Rule Book Fairy. It clearly states that if you go AFK for any reason what-so-ever you lose your spot. Period. End of Discussion. You also cannot sit there hidden/must also be completely visible while waiting. If someone asks if you are there, you need to reply within maybe 30 seconds? That isnt in the book, but if you dont respond, you are AFK. I would like to see the rule book revised a bit to also close the loophole that people are using to gain more kills. Person A who cannot kill Mel solo goes with a friend, Person B. Person A engages, then Person B "helps" them kill Mel while retaining their place in line. Person C is stuck at the end of a three person line, which technically should be a 2 person line. Reason being is neither Person A or B can kill Mel solo and should be counted as a group, or 1 person.

In your example the player who Mel is beating on is NOT at the keyboard, does not respond to Local Says, PM, or Global Chats, they lose their place. The person B is also afk, losing their place in line. That means you can kill her with no repercussions. I would ScreenShot or FRAPs the conversation so you can upload it for a GM to look at if needed. Not that they use it, but it may help.

[SnaponTools]

i agree nah if ur waiting in turn u need to respond r else like i asy theres no realy way to tell if they r truely afk the book should say even if u dispise the person asking if u r there u need to at least say yes so that the next person in line knows ur there. as far as the rounding up i agree it suxs lol and i run the other way just casue i feel its rude to pick kills off and when i recall in and see someone there i leave thier mobs alone and run off screen. even though they didnt do damage i feel it very rude to bother them, but if i round them up r they r all locked on me and around me waiting their turn to die pick them off if u want ill move to the next mob on me and keep killing thill they all dead.

[Rampage]

IMO rules fairy is more of a guideline to good sportsmanship(gamesmanship?) rather than real, enforceable rules.

If you come to Mel and see 2-3 more people waiting you say "HI" and you leave the place like a gentleman to come back another time.
What else you can do is whine and cry how you deserved to go first cause others were probably AFK, when in fact they were reading wiki and talking in guild/world chat.

Its up to you!

[anarchy]

They have to have damage done to them for the mob to be urs? That's terrible... well there goes my strat of doing a couple of quick circles in a room to get every mob aggroed onto me so I can kill them efficiently... That is just lame.

pull out a taskmaster hit once then change up to your weapon you are leveling. technically the kills are your due to damage

[Leivite]

I usually let people know Im not afk when at mel, but sometimes i dont feel like it, youll know Im not afk when she spawns and dies 30 seconds later. And yes the rule book says no afk, but like others have said someone could be in the middle of a really long PM or something of that nature, just because they dont attack the split second she spawns, doesnt mean anyones afk. for solution to actual afk players, see below*.

As for leveling in doom. I aggro mobs together and kill them in a group generally, especially with a whirlwind weapon. But when i lure them together, i stay mounted, and run up and hit them all once and then stand in the middle and wait for the glory.

***SPOILER ALERT*** If you cant handle having someone recall in once in awhile and hit one of your mobs, dont level in doom. There are just TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THERE TO NOT STEP ON OTHER PLAYERS TOES. so what does that mean? GET OVER IT AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. Im sure the GM's really love all the attention they have to spend on this stuff, and the time you spend in paging them, is time you could spend recalling somewhere else and getting back to leveling. Why can i level a weapon from 1-100 in 3 days? because i dont stop for stupid little stuff like someone killing one mob, unless its repeat behavior.

*For all the other complaints, it sounds like everyone should just do what Snapon is doing, and record your UO sessions. Then he can have some competition for shard hall monitor.

[SnaponTools]

first of all leivite u can bite me i dont care what u thinkur unimportant to me, 2nd of all i dont monitor others i record to protect me from being lied on by whimps and whiners r those who steal kills alot not jsut once in a while ask Lit r Nam we joke about it all the time it deosnt bother me if it happens by accident r even if they do it just to joke back and forth im happy u can level 1-100 in 3 days must be some good stuff u take to stay awake