1st Bow level

[Dragor]

I have a Horselord I am ready to level. I had someone tell me it was one of the best bows ingame if I didnt screw it up lol. So with that in mind, I am asking for suggestions on how to level it up properly. it is level 100 with no points spent.

[culichi]

trash that horselord and buy an exceptional crafted yumi that has at least 40 mana leech and same on one direct hit (fireball, lightning, magic arrow, harm). i personally dont like area hits on a yumi but many others do so you will need to figure that one out yourself. MAKE SURE THE CRAFTED YUMI SAYS THAT IT IS EXCEPTIONALLY CRAFTED. exceptional crafted weapons get a small damage bonus so it is important even if it means passing on what seems like a better yumi that is not exceptional.
look for turnabout's vendor in tc he sells good yumis and trashes the junk rather than sell it to players that dont know any better. if turnabout cant help you out send me a pm i might have a decent yumi for you.


HORSELORD IS A TRASH WEAPON EVEN WHEN LEVELED!!

***** sorry i didnt see that you had already purchased a level 100 horselord. if you can get a refund thats great but if not then use that horselord for your first relayer. unless you have 500 ed on hand to buy a relayer deed just save the horselord unused untill you have 500 ed and a better idea on how to use the points towards a decent relayer. pm me any questions

[Wil]

The Horselord is not awful as a relayer. Swords of Prosperity are better but not by a huge amount.

For use as a weapon, yeah, it's awful. It starts with no weapon-relevant stats.

[Johnny Warren]

Sadly someone informed you incorrectly. The horselord is unusable as a weapon (for killing things) as it has no stats at all, literally none, in that regard. As a relayer it is absolute bottom tier and relative garbage, I would strongly advise against spending 500ed to relayer it.

If you want a Yumi to fight with and don't want to type change a looted weapon into one (costs 200ed) then as culichi said, a decent crafted weapon is the way to go. Whilst crafted weapons often get a bad wrap they can actually be very good. The best crafted weapon will never be as good as the best looted weapon. But a high quality crafted weapon can be more than serviceable and you could use a good crafted Yumi for many years while you save for something better.

I think if you put the horselord in the trash for tokens bag you might get 3 tokens back for it, sadly that's about what they are worth, even level 100 no points spent.

[Handrius]

Ive also sold a relayered shirt horselord for 400eds. so worthless is all based at whos looking at it.

[Muolke]

As others have said, a Horselord would make a horrible weapon and one of the worst things you can relayer. I don't even know why anyone would level a horselord...it takes forever to level. There's a ton of cheap WW weapons out there that would make a much better relayer and are much faster to level.

[Banethorn]

Some of us don't have millions to spend on totems etc. The horselord is a fine first or second relayer when resist is not needed. My two horselord realyers put me over the edge so I could handle higher end content. Thus make more money and get better gear. It is all a progression. I am sure some of you 10 year people started with lower lvl items and worked your way up? it is all a progression...

Honestly not that hard to level. being a reptile slayer it one shots drakes etc

[Wil]

As others have said, a Horselord would make [...] one of the worst things you can relayer.

It's not so bad as a relayer. You get 20 "free" points in the 5 bonus dex it comes with and it has enough luck to skip one of the four 100ED luck deeds you'd otherwise need to put 400 luck on it.

Compare to a fairly modest 3x12 resist weapon which adds up to 180 "free" points, it's definitely not going to be an end-game relayer. So YMMV I guess.

[Johnny Warren]

Some of us don't have millions to spend on totems etc. The horselord is a fine first or second relayer when resist is not needed. My two horselord realyers put me over the edge so I could handle higher end content. Thus make more money and get better gear. It is all a progression. I am sure some of you 10 year people started with lower lvl items and worked your way up?

You don't need millions. The horselord is trash and worth nothing, as is a basic 3x14, but it at least has SOME stats, and is also worth nothing. To be honest you could relayer an NPC bought longsword and it would still increase your power level. That doesn't make it a good idea or good value for money.

I had some "skeptical" relayers when I was young but I at least used items that had some stats, ANY stats, for those. I had a cavorting club relayer at one point. It at least has some resists and stuff. Many points worth of stats, horselord has +5 dex and 1 mana regen, essentially 26 points.

If you stuffed up and relayered a horselord once, that's OK, learn from it and move on. If you relayered a horselord as your second relayer... well ....

It's not so bad as a relayer. You get 20 "free" points in the 5 bonus dex it comes with and it has enough luck to skip one of the four 100ED luck deeds you'd otherwise need to put 400 luck on it.

I agree with heaps of what you say Wil and I always find your posts insightful, but I think you're categorically wrong here. It is the definition of a bad relayer, not "not so bad".

A 3x14 resist, as stated, also worthless like the horselord comes with 210 "free" points from the resists. That's over 10x more points than the horselord, not counting the luck. And if you're adding luck with spend points to your relayer then... well... I can't help you there. You may as well just leave your ED in piles on the ground to decay.

Furthermore, if you're putting 400 luck onto a horselord relayer you're doing it wrong. I'm sorry, I am not trying to be rude, but it's truth. That's literally the definition of throwing good money after bad.

There are 1001 different items that are basically free with better stats than the horselord and are easily many times more effective as a relayer. [pm John Warren in game and I will give you a bag full of 3x14 resist weapons, choose an easy one to level and use that. I mean give, as in free. Please. Please don't waste ED relayering a horselord, you will regret it.

Ive also sold a relayered shirt horselord for 400eds. so worthless is all based at whos looking at it.

Paying 100ed less for a relayer is a reasonable deal, but you can clearly see it's also an indictment of how bad the weapon is, right? If it was actually good you wouldn't have sold it. If it was actually good it would have held more value.


I guess the point I am trying to make is to help a newer player make a better decision. You may think I'm being snobby and looking down on players with less gear or worse relayers than me or something along those lines... but I am actually trying to be helpful to this new player, unlike the people trying to convince him to make the same mistakes they did.... Within 12 months, guaranteed, they will regret relayering a horselord. Probably more like 6 months. They'll be wishing they could have their 500ED back to relayer something with stats. 3x14 resist weapons don't even sell anymore, they are free, if anyone is charging for a plain 3x14 they are ripping you off, [pm John Warren and I can give you a bunch, I don't even bother looting them any more. 4x14 resists are rarer but also rather cheap. These are significantly better than the horselord, they don't cost you anything.

In the end, it's a game, do what you want, but 500ed is 500ed. I cannot recommend strongly enough that you do not relayer this weapon.

[Banethorn]

Thanks for your insight Johnny, I appreciate your comments.

I still feel it is an acceptable and cheap solution for starting off. That being said for my next relayer where I replace resist gear, I will not be using a horselord as I will need resist. I will be choosing a nice resist weapon to level.

The horselord as my first 2 got me maxed on damage increase ( points ahead as it had it already) and many other stats. HCI, Defense etc (all above cap now)

I could do a full suit of horselord relayers and compare to a full suit of BC relayers and honestly what would be the difference? 50 hp and 3 extra damage? (that's a guess but really would like to know)

It suited my purpose and got me into places like twisted weald solo with no pets. I was in there before but had to use 2 pet cu's to even survive.

It is all about sitting down with pen/paper (or spreadsheet) and figuring out what you are trying to accomplish. I am more of a "ok max this then that" person.

Have fun out there, enjoying my stay on the shard so far!

[Johnny Warren]

As I said, any relayer is a massive and powerful upgrade. You really notice the difference in how tough your toon is once you get that second relayer.

You are right about the BCs... The difference in stats is very minimal and the difference in price is massive. For some, they never aspire to get the all BC/TH suit, and I see no problem there. Once you're all relayers with a few of the other high end quest pieces, JoW, gleam leggings and cloak of mist, you can take on all of the content in the game successfully. Once you've been around a long time U need new goals. That's when you sell the older relayers and upgrade them and so on... Or set some sort of deco goal or some such. I'm basically done with my suit unless I miraculously steal another TH, although the next TH I steal I think I am making a fighting weapon out of it....