Pet slots

[Kaimelar]

The idea that the babies born out of slot reduced parents should have the same slot as the parents is not a good idea. Soon enough all pets on the shard would be 1 slot, which defeats the purpose of selling the deed and would also make fresh tames completely obsolete.

I think the deed should be more expensive, more in the vicinity of 1m or 350k tokens.

[ticketguru]

If you make the deeds too expensive, then no one will buy them and we will be exactly where we are right now with everyone having just maxed mules and nobles. 25k to 50k token is a good range for the deed proposed. Remember the idea is not to get any real advantage over the existing 1 slot pets, just to add some variety to the pets that are in use. Kaimelar, you are correct that the -1 should absolutely not carry over to offspring for the exact reason you list.

[Quantrax]

I am sorry to say but I am gonna have to agree with Kaimelar there on the price as to reduce a pet slot amount should be quite pricey and by no means do i think 1 mill or 350k is high when in fact if you are well known of the areas or even the methods of making money that can accomplised in a day or two as where 25-50k tokens can be acccomplished in a matter of minutes or few hours then you would have the problem like said of having all pets 1 slot pets and having no real need for the increased pet slots or even having one pet over the other like nobles over nightmares for example or mules over aqua stangs. I have even known a person first day on the shard to make 1 mill in a day just selling the organics gathered from the newb rat quest so by no means do i think the 1 mill or 350k tokens is far fetched.
I could understand 350k tokens being alot if they were not a commodity to be bought as to get 350k tokens just by fighting is alot but when typical rates are 1 to 3 where 100k tokens is 300k gold it is quite easy to attain 350k tokens. As i have over 1.4 mill tokens and dont spend them regularly most of mine are from hunting and would sooner spend the 350k tokens for say a slot then i would 1 mill despite how easy it can be to gather 1 mill gold. I apologize if this offends anyone or if it sounds like I am blowing smoke up you know where but i have been here for roughly 14 months and was here before when the shard started and one of many true UO vets, so in that time i have learned a thing or two about gathering gold tokens and whatever else it is you may need. I believe I have earned the right to boast a bit so to speak.
I regularly help people out and buy many goods from them and am consistently showing many of them the areas to hunt for good coin, items or even helping them with their quests. And for most "New" players I typically help with suit of armour weapon and some of what else they may need to get them started as well as alot of info and always offer my services for them to ask questions or concerns they may have.

Phoenix

[ticketguru]

I understand what you mean by the economics of the shard in general and a million gold not being that much. But think about the economics of pets specifically. A max mule is about 600k lets say. For the cost of a maxed nightmare plus one -1 deed at 1 million would be about the same as 2 mules. You've just priced the deed out of reasonable limits for almost everyone. The idea of having the deed is not to give everyone some big advantage, but just to add some extra diversity to the shard. If it is too expensive then it will defeat its purpose.

[Ruewyn]

Hope this thread isn't dead. It doesn't help at all that some (2 maybe) -1 Pet slot deeds got sold at auction for around 11mil.
I think that's partly cause they are so rare, and ALSO cause those deeds can actually make a pet take 0 slots.

Maybe the admins will still consider our poor mans version of this scroll.

[ticketguru]

We should call this proposal a Pet Slot Reduction Deed to distinguish it from the -1 slot deeds sold at auction. The special auction deeds don't have the same limitation that are being discussed here. The limits on these deeds would need to be only one per each pet, can't reduce to 0 slots and can't be used on bios.

[anarchy]

love the idea! could have 2 cu's doing mad damge with packs . also breeding cu's would be easier. how about throwing in a random mutation (rare) of offspring as having the same psc as their parents.

[Highroller]

Yep if the deed costs a lot then there is no point in them. Why would anyone pay more for a deed than they can get a maxed mule or noble for? Some of you are missing the whole point here. In the first place say you got a maxed nightmare, you ALREADY had to pay for the mare or spend weeks breeding it up. Now if it costs a million gold to get the deed to make it a 1 slot pet and say you paid 200k for it, you now got 1.2 million in it. For that you can buy 4 or 5 maxed nobles. Your million gold is wayyyyyy too high for the deed. Anything over 75 to 100k is probably too high. I mean sure if the 3 slot pets had a multiple on stats THEN it would be worth big money to lower their slots. If a dragon had 3000 str and 3000 hits it would be very different. With them having 1000/1000 max not counting ointments just like a 1 slot pet does there is VERY little to make people want them. As is their only attraction is they are stronger out of the wild so new tamers will tame dragons and white wyrms for example when getting started. Majority of 1 slot pets need a lot of breeding to max out. Trust me mules need a buttload of breeding. It took me 45 gens even using 1200 ointments when I couldn't stand it anymore. People bitch at how much I charge for my mules. My answer is if you don't like the price then go breed your own. I charge less for pets I have less invested in.

[KnitePrince]

Something you should all also consider, is that donations are what keeps this shard running, keeps it open, and keeps it getting better. Anything that would cut into the reasons for people to donate would impact the ability for the boss to keep it up and running.
maybe i am missing whats being said about the pet slot reduction deed, but from what i can see, it would be a lot cheaper option than adding the extra pet slot to my character.... thus impacting donations.
I too would like to see other pets be useful. I am in no way capable of predicting what Coli will like or not like, but before he were to even consider something, someone would have to do some homework. listing the critters that could be revamped. Setting a WW or a CU to one slot would have a severe impact, while there are some other critters that take two slots that really wouldn't hurt the shard at all.
So, if you seriously want some changes on this, do a proposal, list the pros and cons of each of the animals you want changed, and why it wouldn't hurt the shard.
The biggest thing i would bet, would be reasons why it might HELP to have more diversity, or overall help the shard. Any admin might take a second look at something that would be beneficial to his or her shard.
i can't say he will even look at it, but.. like I said, if your serious, there is only one way to find out.

[Ruewyn]

I have been doing some homework on some of the critters that would be more useful. Mainly looking for abilities that would make them down right unbalanced.
Obvious 2 slot pets: Nightmares, Kirins, Unicorns, Bake Kitsunes. - Nothing special to note here, not much different from a mule.
3 sloters: Cu Sidhe, Rune Beetle, Lesser Hiryu. (I'm not gonna bother listing any sort of dragon here as they have no special ability).
Cu's, Ok, i mentioned before had double damage, and now i have no idea where i got that from. Not true according to stratics and UOguide, but please correct me if I am wrong. However they do have bleed attack. Nice ability, but nothing too powerful to worry about.
Rune Beetles: Corruption attack lowering targets resists by half (was lowered to 0,but changed in patch). This would be a extremely powerful pet if it took less stats. (unable to note any difference in testing of corruption)
Lesser Hiryu (and hiryu = 4 slots) have the same abilities: Because of breeding and getting maxed stats anyways. a full hiryu is no different then a lesser. They have the ability to drop physical resists on target (quick testing shows resist drops 9 not sure if it varies) . also extremely powerful considering they do 100% physical damage.

That's all the relevant data I have for now, I'll let ya'll make the comments.
Ok, about the diversity. More options for breeders to work on, more options for people to buy, more things for people to play with. Why would you want that? Different damage types, different special abilities, More things to work on, having fun using different pets, more reasons to save up ointments(kidding), Plain and simple having more options for our character.

[Highroller]

Rue, Dragons do have flame breath but it seems pretty minor and White Wyrms cast but there again no real advantage over a mule other than they start out stronger out of the wild. Another disadvantage as I see it of dragons and wyrms (including the custom wyrms) is they are so big physically they block your view of what you are fighting too much. Another pet to consider is Juggernaunt Bear and maybe that special cat that spawns the same place that's so bloody hard to subdue. As I remember they are 3 slots each.

[Ruewyn]

Thanks for the additional pets Highroller. I'll have to add them to the list. I think i'm needing a little break from the shard for awhile, getting a little annoyed and bored. Hopefully I can resume the campaign to get the pet slot scrolls when i make my comeback.