100k Eds

[KnitePrince]

all it would really take would be for Coli to post a max price on ED's. I too have seen the prices go WAY beyond what I will pay for them. I remember selling Ed's for 25K. that, along with the rats that dropped organics was WAY more than enough to get me a very good start in this game. I wanted a personal trainer, as well as blacksmiths, animal trainer and breeder etc.. but at that time, the price of ED was so high that i knew i wasn't going to pay it, so i donated to get those trainers etc.. and in all honesty, came out WAY ahead of buying ED in game for them... the bottom line is, the prices are so crazy that I will never again buy ED in game. it will eventually reach the point that no ne else will either. then the ED will crash like the stock market. the prices are so high right now i do not know how people are affording them, if they keep going, people WONT be able to afford them at all... Newer players are definately out of luck... as i said, if "god" (sorry Coli) was to speak, make a post, etc, really, thats all that would be required to stop the madness. Put a top dollar on the ED's, so those that HAVE to buy them in game at least have a chance.
btw, good to see your still here PB

[fingers]

hail kniteprince

[Ritchey]

Hello all, this is my first post, just wishing to bring a point from perhaps a new perspective.

I see a lot of you are all worried about the price of EDs increasing ( doubled? ).

Well if you look around on vendors, mostly everything as gone up two to ten times in price compared to the prices 6+ months ago. I think you guys are not realizing that EDs are being traded in gold, and that gold has gotten so devalued because you have so many of it being in circulation (and im REALLY trying hard not to go into how EASY it is to farm gold, or how anti-market it is here).

Players that complain about a 40-50% increase in price are mostly "buyers-only" that probably don't want (or can't afford) to donate to get those EDs, and now they're stuck competing with the multi-billionaires that don't mind paying premium-ish price for those EDs.

The economy has gone "bonkers". Theres no way to fix it. All you can do is LEAVE IT ALONE and hope it heals itself.

SUMMARY: Injecting false/artificially-high "value" into an economy destroys it.



...Thank you for your time. (English is not my primary language, sorry to the grammar police)

[Calan Caitin]

Creating more gold sinks helps with the economy, but unless you limit the inflow of gold into the system better, then the economy won't self heal. Bees are free gold. Balrons drop upwards of 5k per kill. Claiming corpses on everything you kill in an area can bring you gold pretty fast also. Some of the prices are out of whack due to some changes put into place to fix one problem without forward thinking what other issues it would cause. PS bags made it easy to make 120s and so was balanced with less PS at champs spawns which defeated the purpose of the PS bag somewhat and drove 120 PS prices through the roof. The raffles work pretty decently on lowering the total gold in the system, but only if people play the raffles. Which means lots of high end items being put up on them. A more sure way to lower the gold in the system would be to have high level items on sale on the gold stone. +Hina has been putting out some really nice deco that is sure to help also. Bottom line is though if the gold inflow isn't controlled better, then the economy still has little chance to become more stable.

[KnitePrince]

Yes, gold sinks will help for sure... Bees arent free money, you have to buy or make the potions for them, and buy the hive tools and pot etc, they also take upkeep every day if you want them to be healthy and producing, but they ARE good money..
ED prices at one time were 25k each... last night I saw more than one person selling at 100k... thats a little more than doubled. Prices on ointments and many other things have also gone way beyond what I am willing to buy them for, so Now I just go get my own oints when I need them. The bottom line is, the prices are going to BE what people are willing to pay. If no one was buying them, the prices would go down drastically... we cant control what someone will pay, but by the same token, I can control what I buy, AND what i sell for. prices on my vendors will be the same as they have always been, no matter what others are selling for. some prices will be VERY low, while others will be high. Some prices have been driven down by competition, and are no longer worth the time and effort to make/sell, while other prices have gone WAY up, and i will continue to sell at notrmal prices, where I am capable of making a mild profit.
My contribution to the thread was based on the convo about ED prices being out of the reach of some players. I believe there is valid concern, and replied in kind. It is a game, there are other shards, granted, none as good as this one, but when people get frustrated trying to get started, and they cannot afford to get a jump start by donating, they will most likely go elsewhere, where they can get started easier. Turn over is high, there are not a lot of people that play for over a year. Since i started, there are few names that remain the same. I also see that there are still around 100 players, which is good, but I also think that number will begin to fall, as the trend in prices continues unchecked. If i am wrong? well, i have been wrong before, i will be wrong again, but, my prediction is now in writing, only time will tell

[fingers]

...when people get frustrated trying to get started, and they cannot afford to get a jump start by donating, they will most likely go elsewhere, where they can get started easier.

That is exactly why I posted this. Indeed, they might go elswhere where they can get started easier or at least, somewhere everyone starts (and stays) on the same page and has the same chances (no big donating[*][/b][/i]boost start). I promised myself I was not posting anymore here. I tend to say things that displeases alot of people that I appreciate... But I couldn't ignore KnitePrinces post, it was just too much relevant

* Donation is definitly the less appropriate term here, as this is simply a transaction of cash ($) for some virtual good (EDs + bonuses).

[Ritchey]

* Donation is definitly the less appropriate term here, as this is simply a transaction of cash ($) for some virtual good (EDs + bonuses).

I don't like to suggest to add yet another nerf, but if you wanted to put more of the donating spirit into donation then maybe you could:

example: For every 5/10$ donated you get a "coin" in your inventory, and you use this "coin" at a special stone somewhere, sort of like a slot machine that spits out a random amount of EDs, between 0-100 or 0-50 for every "coin" inserted?

It would still take a large amount of time for all the previous EDs in circulation to be redeemed out of the system to balance it out. ...Donations should have stayed donations...

[Kaiana]

This has been brought up a lot of times since I started here...

Honestly, I think the current system is just fine. There are definitely some issues with gold retention among players, but those of you (fingers) who have the time to farm GoCs can easily make as much money as someone who donates. And it's also not really fair to say that someone who has lots of real life responsibilities outside the game (such as myself) should not be allowed to donate to cut out some of the busywork of getting good items. Changing those high-end items to gold only would not fix the problem you put forth, being that EDs are a shortcut, because then the donator will just have an extra step in selling the EDs to get gold to buy the items. Not only that, but donation is a neccessary evil on free servers in order to keep the server running - bandwidth costs are expensive. I think this server does a fairly decent job of managing its finances through in-game incentives obtained through EDs.

It seems like you're upset because some people can get the items without as much work by spending money. Honestly, I haven't been able to afford to donate in months, and I rarely get any time to play anymore either, so I don't have a single GoC item and probably won't for a long time. But just because you have the time to spend making money the old-fashioned way is no reason to say that people who don't have the time should be penalized. You're winning in that you aren't spending money to get items, and the donators are winning in that they don't have to devote a significant portion of their time to the game in order to be able to enjoy it with good equips and special items. So really, it's a win-win. The server gets paid for, you don't spend any real $, donators get a shortcut and everyone is happy...or should be.

That being said, I agree that the ED prices are a little insane lately. But that's due to the efforts of certain entreprenurial players :p

[fingers]

As you can see, I pretty much left this thread. I bought over 1200 eds in the last month and as you mentionned, I can afford them easily because I play alot (too much). I brought the problem up for the new player who has neither the time to power play, neither the money to donate. 90-100k eds for them was imo just not fair. The problem is almost solved with the arrival of [exex. For the last week, Eds have been available for 50k or less on [exex.

As for me being upset or jalous about the donators, you are allowed to have your own opinion. I was just stating that adjustments are made weekly to avoid some type of activities to be too much profitable (breeding, GoC, champ spawns, balrons, bio engeneering, harrower, bee keeping), while donation are (where) more and more profitable to donators, and nothing was done to stablize that.

As for this: "bandwidth costs are expensive. I think this server does a fairly decent job of managing its finances through in-game incentives obtained through EDs.", I prefer talking about what i know. I have no clue how the finance of the server are, neither am I intersted in knowing about it. But as for the bandwith cost, this was accurate in june 2008:

http://www.uoex.net/forum/viewtopic.php ... =isp#p3830

Anyway, I am not interested anymore in trying to defend the newer player. Brings too much heat on my side. Whatever the nerfs, injustices, etc., I just know I will do fine on my side.

[Kaiana]

Hey now, I wasn't trying to upset you...lol. And I never said you were jealous. Upset maybe, but that's a lot different, and wasn't meant as an insult.

[fingers]

Hey now, I wasn't trying to upset you...lol. And I never said you were jealous. Upset maybe, but that's a lot different, and wasn't meant as an insult.

It's all good. As I said, everyone is allowed to have his own opinion. But I was feeling good out of this thread for the last week.

[Omnipotent]

Why is it some kid always cries about people with jobs that donate to games they play? Either suck it up or ship out!!

[fingers]

Why is it some kid always cries about people with jobs that donate to games they play? Either suck it up or ship out!!

I have been playing UOEX for two years and I can confirm you that caling plyers you disagree with "some kid" and to "Either suck it up or ship out!!" is not something that works here.

Talking about working, did it ever accured to you that one may have a job, but yet is unable to donate (parent of several kids and earning the only salary of the house)?

[Omnipotent]

Why is it some kid always cries about people with jobs that donate to games they play? Either suck it up or ship out!!

I have been playing UOEX for two years and I can confirm you that caling plyers you disagree with "some kid" and to "Either suck it up or ship out!!" is not something that works here.

Talking about working, did it ever accured to you that one may have a job, but yet is unable to donate (parent of several kids and earning the only salary of the house)?

Did it ever occur to you that I have played on other shards? No of course not. And on those other shards I see the same complaint from a very small group of kids that cant buy the domains coin of choice. You chose your lot in life not us. If you dont like the fact your broke and cant buy EDs blame yourself not the game.

As to the kid thing. Your acting like a child who cant get something so they want the rules changed. Saying suck it up or leave doesnt work? LOL it works just fine. Im sure as a parent you have or will use the line "this is my house, my rules if you dont like it your 18 and can leave at anytime". So suck it up or leave. Stop trying to ruin/change the game due to your personal problems. While we are at it, why dont you keep your personal problems personal??

Just wondering when this thread is dead what will your next complaint be??

[+Veritas]

Lets keep this thread the home of a healthy and respectful discussion. Continued Inflammatory language will not only result in this thread being locked, but also the deletion of the post that caused it to be locked...therefore removing your opportunity to be heard.

+V