Organics!

[MKaros]

The price of organics, while high, should probably not be artificially modified in any way. The market doesn't require intervention - it will sort itself out. If anything, we should reduce the failure rate on DNA vials, since that's the heart of the issue here.

You have to keep in mind that bio pets are not a required part of living - they're a luxury. They're mainly used to tank critters that hit for high amounts of damage or go somewhere that a non-insanely-geared player would normally die - like bringing a CH bio to Umbris. The thing can heal itself through almost all of the damage it takes because counter-heal procs on a hit.

But, we're choosing to pay the organic prices. They are this high because bios can be sold for a high amount. If organic prices rise, then bio prices will also rise. If people complain about bio prices, and I were a bio engineer, I would simply point to the organic market and say, "My hands are tied."

If organics were selling for 300g a pop, and I were a bio engineer, I would react in one of two ways:

1. I would not buy them, and I would not make bios.
2. I would make bios, and I would raise my prices on bios.

Both 1 and 2 will result in a drop in organics prices unless the player base was willing to pay 8m+ for bios, in which case that would become the normal price. As I doubt the market would currently support that (and therefore I could not sell my bios for 8m), I would choose option 1. Now I'm not making bios anymore, because they aren't profitable to make. What's going to happen to organics prices? Well, they're going to plummet, because nobody is buying them until they are able to use them to make a profit on bios again.

This normal economic principle of supply and demand should work just as well here as anywhere, and I think you should honestly just let it play out. The system honestly does not appear to need any modification that economics can't provide.

[anarchy]

here's the math...


empty dna vials- let's say you make 20 of them @ 90% success rate you need 22k organics to make 20 vials @ 4.4 mil
empty dna vial set- need 1 but you get enough for 2 just in case failure 90% success rate cost 2 mil
bio pet deed- you need 1 but you get enough for 2 just in case failure 90% success rate cost 400k.

raw materials
high end: 6.8 mil
low end: 5.6 mil


prowess---usually waste about 5-7 empty vials @ 200k each top margin. 1.4 mil cost
mental- usually get it on first try 200k cost
environment- usually get it on the first try 200k cost
mimic- depends on which you want. counter healing usually takes about 12 tries to get and that if you get the other speical you want. i've spent up to 30k organics just getting CH/TBF ok tested 11 vials this is what i got

none/none: 2
none/ice blast: 1
none/trial by fire: 1
counter blunt/call of nature: 2
counter poison/acid rain: 1
counter blunt/acid rain: 2
counter heal/ acid rain: 1
counter heal/ comet: 1

what a waste grrr. 1 or 3 sell-able bio's ok need to make profit sells counter heal/ comet 7 mil ok remember high end 6.8 mil i made 200k for this bio: low end 5.6 mil made 1.4 mil, but i have a stock level of see mimic above.

reason why i was selling bios so low (3-4 mil before) was because of an over stock. only cost me
1 mil for the empty dna vial
1.4 mil for the prowess
200k for environ
200k for mental

2.8 mil so i was only making 200k on my overstocked stuff.
the problem and would reduce the price of bio isn't failure of sampling. it's the mimic. people want a specific special which takes a lot of organics. if they deleted the mimics: all the counter poison or acid rain you'd see a lower price for bio's.

[Dj Sticky]

I say jack the bio prices! For the amount of trouble that goes into making a non essential item they SHOULD be expensive! I don't understand why people want really nice things for next to nothing. I remember paying (and others paying) 35-40 mill for Ornys on prodo shard when gold was going for $10-$12 per mill. Heck the last thing I remember buying on prodo was a piece of runic armor for 25 Mill (granted thats with $6 per mill gold prices but still).

[anarchy]

did 8 more mimics

blunt attack/ call of nature = 2
poison attack/ trial by fire =1
none/trial by fire 2
blunt attack/ none 1
none/none 2

this is at 7600 luck btw.