Champ Spawns

[Anna Marie]

Two nights in a row the Tokuno champ has had someone afk. Tonight I had a couple people asking for help with it. I TRIED to come and help but the voting was taking forever cause the main guy was afk or ignoring me for whatever reason. I know for a fact the guy was afk last night. My question is are we allowed to go afk and do a champ? I know it is against rules to level a weapon afk and the guy tonight had a levelable weapon of only 64 so he was leveling his. I think it is unfair if you are allowed to do champs afk cause you have others who are asking for the help and people are just trying to be nice and help while the main guy doesn't let them get the needed help.

[+Nyx]

Killing champ spawns afk is mentioned in the codex:

c. When performing the following activities, you must not be away from keyboard: killing spawn (regular or champions), leveling weapons, fishing, gathering ore/wood/leather/wool/plants, taming animals, or anything else that gains profit.

If you see players doing this, you should report it.

[Ilsanor]

It may also happen that he simply ignored the voting. Some people just stand in the middle, fire up their macros (druid, auto target or whatnot) and move any voting gumps to the side of the screen. Just because they're... 'antisocial' (for the lack of a better word) doesn't mean they're AFK. Still, I've seen many druids actually AFK champ (out to get coffee, dinner, sandwich, for a bio break) so it wouldn't hurt to check them, should a GM be online.

[Kara]

I like how "bio break" can cover a multitude of sins.

-- This has been an 0ff-topic hi-jacking of your thread by your friendly neighborhood Kryptonian.

[Styx]

I tend to also miss a lot of chat while champing,

Most people will ignore the prompt if it is a late phase of the champ or a lot of people are already doing it.

You also, cannot possibly know someone was afk for a fact. They could of just been ignoring you.

You're only option for future reference is to report it to the gm's and hope they respond before the champ is over to actually AFK check the individual.

Bio-break doesn't cover any sins either

[dwarfman]

My account is 16 days old.

I have been having a great time....

except

the voting system seems to be a real c-blocker.

Showed up to 2 champs on the 2nd to last wave before moa and couldn't join.

Showed up to another champ at xroads, found 1 guys soloing it with 5x mules

of course he didn't want help so I couldn't join.

Only thing so far I have found I don't care for here on Ex.

[Unbeliever]

dwarfman - I'll offer you a few bits of friendly advice, as the guy who was soloing the xroads champ.

1: people do tend to have sympathy for newbies, myself included. But a 2 week old player who knows where all the champ spawns are and is ready to tackle them and is riding a fire steed (which I, as a four month old player, still can't tame) is clearly not a newbie or in need of gimmies.

2: many more players consider it far more rude to ask into a champ at the very end of the thing than to refuse such a request. You showed up as I spawned the MOA and asked to join, repeatedly. Why would anyone give up 50% of the champ rewards in exchange for help with 2% of the work?

2a: I was impressed by the fact that you actually spoke to me at first instead of trying to mutely invite yourself into a stranger's champ. It didn't mean that I was going to let you in but it did instantly elevate my opinion of you.

2b: That was until you tried to give me a guilt trip just for not doing what you wanted. Choosing to end a meeting as negatively as possible is probably not going to make future encounters any better.

2c: I could list the benefits of the current champ candle system but I'll sum it up this way - it was implemented by a thoughtful staff for good reasons. If you want to know what they were, it's easy to search the site and find the original posts about it.

Welcome to Excelsior. No hard feelings.

[Melkor]

Don't be too put off by it, there was a time when most people said no, but nowadays most people say yes. If people are one or two red candles away, your chances go down of course. Since you are still new, hit the newb champ up as much as you can, I believe it goes every 4 hours.

[heyyo]

Well, in my experience, seeing as there is virtually no extra reward other than to spite another player from getting a PS, I always vote yes. I've noticed no difference in rewards when soloing, other then it takes longer. When you accept help you both get a PS and it goes faster, it's a win/win in my book.

[Unbeliever]

Well, in my experience, seeing as there is virtually no extra reward other than to spite another player from getting a PS, I always vote yes. I've noticed no difference in rewards when soloing, other then it takes longer. When you accept help you both get a PS and it goes faster, it's a win/win in my book.

All champions drop a finite amount of gold when they die. Obviously there's a huge difference between getting 100k+ for yourself or splitting it with even one other person.

[kenarn]

Just stating my opinion but if you are doing champs for the gold you are definitely doing the champ for the wrong reason.

[Locke]

and it's one of the worst way to farm gold

[dwarfman]

dwarfman - I'll offer you a few bits of friendly advice, as the guy who was soloing the xroads champ.

1: people do tend to have sympathy for newbies, myself included. But a 2 week old player who knows where all the champ spawns are and is ready to tackle them and is riding a fire steed (which I, as a four month old player, still can't tame) is clearly not a newbie or in need of gimmies. Taming skill is easy to gain on this shard. I was riding a mule I bought with my first 15k I had available and dyed it blaze.

2: many more players consider it far more rude to ask into a champ at the very end of the thing than to refuse such a request. You showed up as I spawned the MOA and asked to join, repeatedly. Why would anyone give up 50% of the champ rewards in exchange for help with 2% of the work? Are there only so many scrolls that drop or is it just gold your referring to?

2a: I was impressed by the fact that you actually spoke to me at first instead of trying to mutely invite yourself into a stranger's champ. It didn't mean that I was going to let you in but it did instantly elevate my opinion of you.

2b: That was until you tried to give me a guilt trip just for not doing what you wanted. Choosing to end a meeting as negatively as possible is probably not going to make future encounters any better. Ya, like when your ghost runs past my character expecting a rez?

2c: I could list the benefits of the current champ candle system but I'll sum it up this way - it was implemented by a thoughtful staff for good reasons. If you want to know what they were, it's easy to search the site and find the original posts about it.

Welcome to Excelsior. No hard feelings. None takin. I really like it here. Just need to roll alts to camp champs so I don't miss em to 5xmule solo artists.

[kenarn]

^ That is a total win.

[Unbeliever]

^ That is a total win.

Personally I think breaking the mould of the traditionally rude UO player is a total win. That's why I turned the other cheek and wrote a courtesy message when it would have been far easier to block him and let his cry for being able to jump into champ spawns late die a quiet death.

No matter what way you try to spin it, there are lots of players here who won't let other people into champs late. Funny enough, I do it regularly - I've never turned anyone away eariler than halfway through the 4th tier - but not at the boss (excluding the other day when I let half of your guild jump in on Barracoon, Sobekn..). It doesn't have to be about doing champs JUST for the gold - it doesn't make sense to hand away 50k+ gold for 2 minutes of help you don't need no matter what you're there for.

In the end, the GMs made it the way it is for a good reason and an overwhelming majority of players are content with it. I doubt your stellar approach to reform is going to get it changed, dwarfman. And there's no competition or grudge going on between us no matter what you imagine. The grudge thing really doesn't work here. It's out of place. You'll figure that out. And I have no problem getting a res or finding something to do besides champs if I need.