I've seen a practice start occurring frequently that will result in some QQing (in +Nyx's vernacular). One particular guild I've noticed will hide at certain spawns, only to pop-up when the timer is done. I reviewed the codex and found:
"If a player is hidden, it is considered that they are not in line."
As a result, I will not be honoring those that pop up at a spawn from their hiding spot. If I can attack first or the spawn aggros to me, it appears I am well within my rights to kill it. Not only that, but if you then attack after me from your hiding spot, I will page and report you. I am posting this message for 3 reasons. 1. As a notice of my impending decision mentioned and 2. to get any clarification needed from Staff or other players. Lastly, I would suggest that we remove hiding from these spots (Netopir, Grizzle, etc.) as has been done with Balron spawns as I foresee this becoming a larger issue. Thanks for reading.
Spawn Hiding
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Unbeliever
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Re: Spawn Hiding
I think your understanding of the rule is accurate and I think this post was the best possible way to handle the issue. I support removing hiding in peerless spawn areas too. It sounds easier than town crier messages and Help pages ad nauseum reminding and reporting players.
in-game Thomas Covenant
Re: Spawn Hiding
I agree, this is an issue. It's been happening with more frequency in the last several months, so I've disabled hiding / stealth / invisibility at: Netopir, Slaarion, and Grizzle. We'll see how it goes for awhile with these, and make any changes or additions as necessary.
Re: Spawn Hiding
You...+Nyx wrote:I agree, this is an issue. It's been happening with more frequency in the last several months, so I've disabled hiding / stealth / invisibility at: Netopir, Slaarion, and Grizzle. We'll see how it goes for awhile with these, and make any changes or additions as necessary.
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In the future, it's best to page when things like this happen - even if we can't put the smackdown on the offending player in each instance, at least we're aware that it's happening. I'd thought it had tapered off again, so I hadn't done anything about it. If I'd known it was still going on as much as before, but that we just weren't getting the reports of it, I'd have done this a long time ago.
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Wil
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Re: Spawn Hiding
Hi Nyx,+Nyx wrote:We'll see how it goes for awhile with these, and make any changes or additions as necessary.
Related question: are y'all doing AFK checks on non-dungeon killing? The reason I ask is that there seem to be a lot of recall-bot killers in the Fan Dancers / Rune Beetles area lately where the bot pops in, starts killing everything in sight and then, in some cases, pops out as soon as it detects a blue player nearby leaving the mobs unfinished.
I don't know that any of these folks actually are AFK but they're blatantly bots and there seem to be an awful lot of them. I've been AFK-checked in dungeons a couple of times but never on the surface.
Regards,
Wil
Re: Spawn Hiding
When we do AFK checks, we check every player who is performing an action that is illegal to do when AFK. So, anyone killing spawns - regardless of their location - will be checked. Sometimes we will not check folks that we already know are there (they're talking in wc, they've just paged, etc.), but as a general rule it's everybody who's killin' stuff.