Community feedback please -

[Muolke]

I would like the feedback of the Excelsior community on something that happened a few days ago.

Some players like me and others don't care for my playing style but I am honest and share with the community at times.

A few days ago I got a Bone Crusher that was a level 60 that still had the Arty tag on it, so I added a weapon type change deed to it and then realized that the points to that point had been spent with the arty tag which as you know means double the points have to be spent. It doesn't ruin the item since you can still get all the basic adds to it but it reduces the amount of things you can put on it.

So I put the item on my vendor for 325ED and in the description I put "points spent".

Here's a screenshot:



As any veteran player knows 325ED for a partially leveld BC with arty tag removed is not a standard price for such item. The value of a fresh BC is around 200ED, plus another 200ED for the deed, plus another 80ED value for the partial level. So the actual value of this item would be 50% higher than the price I listed it for.

I messaged a player if he was interested in a BC at 300ED and before I even had a chance to get his message this same player went on my vendor and bought it for 325ED.

Today I see that this player has put the item on his vendor with some foul remarks in the description (it has been reported).

See below:




This player didn't contact me after the fact or anything. He just got all upset and this is the end result.


The purpose of this post is to gather some feedback from other players about what took place.

Am I in the wrong in this situation because I wasn't specific about when the points were spent? Or is it the buyers responsibility to check the item first (especially since the price was so low) and make sure there's nothing wrong with it?


All comments are welcome...

[Coalfire]

I've leveled a couple dozen weapons over the years, and I could tell right away that, that BC was far below standard for a Lvl 60 with point spent. My first thought would have been that the points were spent while the Arti-Tag was still on it. (Cause I've made that mistake myself in the past.)

Even if the buyer didn't know that, his first course of action should have been to contact the seller, and politely explain the situation, and ask for a refund.

The relisting with that description turns everything on it's head. And after seeing that, I would have outright refused a refund if they had contacted me afterward.

As a buyer you should always research any purchase that seems to good to be true. PM the seller, ask a friend, get a second opinion from a trusted friend.

In this case the seller's description wasn't deceitful, and the price was reasonable (IMO) for what it was.

[Possum12]

My thought is that the description should have CLEARLY said that points had been spent before Arti tag removed not just "Points Spent".

Maybe even stating what new point cap would be.

I know life should be buyer beware - but still, when I see a description saying points spent I always "ASSUME" points spent after tag removed.
(Horribly killer word is ASSUME)

Either way the Resell description was way too much.


Though I am interested to know why you took a screen shot of your vendor item for? Were you expecting trouble from that listing?

[Muolke]

Though I am interested to know why you took a screen shot of your vendor item for? Were you expecting trouble from that listing?

I didn't take a screenshot of the item on my vendor, I just pulled it up on the vendors.uoex website. Sold items remain on there for a while. You can still go and pull it up now if you check.

[culichi]

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[Cengaver]

My friend ask me about this item and after first look i see its totally wrong point spent before arty cleared its RIP item...

For More Info
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Modlavator sold this bc for 5mil

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Muolke sold this item for 125ed

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Muolke sold this item for 325ed !??

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i cant find who tagged you son of a shit but reselling continue
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Grundig selling this item for 335ed

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I would like the feedback of the Excelsior community on something that happened a few days ago.

Some players like me and others don't care for my playing style but I am honest and share with the community at times.

A few days ago I got a Bone Crusher that was a level 60 that still had the Arty tag on it, so I added a weapon type change deed to it and then realized that the points to that point had been spent with the arty tag which as you know means double the points have to be spent. It doesn't ruin the item since you can still get all the basic adds to it but it reduces the amount of things you can put on it.

So I put the item on my vendor for 325ED and in the description I put "points spent".

Here's a screenshot:



As any veteran player knows 325ED for a partially leveld BC with arty tag removed is not a standard price for such item. The value of a fresh BC is around 200ED, plus another 200ED for the deed, plus another 80ED value for the partial level. So the actual value of this item would be 50% higher than the price I listed it for.

I messaged a player if he was interested in a BC at 300ED and before I even had a chance to get his message this same player went on my vendor and bought it for 325ED.

Today I see that this player has put the item on his vendor with some foul remarks in the description (it has been reported).

See below:




This player didn't contact me after the fact or anything. He just got all upset and this is the end result.


The purpose of this post is to gather some feedback from other players about what took place.

Am I in the wrong in this situation because I wasn't specific about when the points were spent? Or is it the buyers responsibility to check the item first (especially since the price was so low) and make sure there's nothing wrong with it?


All comments are welcome...

[Nick]

I would say the guy reselling it is totally in the wrong... if I am talking to someone about selling them something direct and they go buy it off the vendor it's annoying... (what's the point of direct involvement if they still pay a 3% tax). Posting that a player by name is a POS is certainly a TOS/codex violation for our shard.

I would say when selling things of this nature saying 150 points spent before arty tag dropped would be a better warning then just points spent. That being said selling this for 325 and not 450-500 should certainly have clued someone in that the points were spent wrong. I have some BC relayers that still have 150+ points to spend that I haven't spent because I don't have a use for the points rn so, this is certainly not a useless BC reduced in value yes but, not useless. I'd pay 250 for it most likely.

[Wil]

I'd say you're both wrong.

Muolke - Lies of omission are still lies. It's like on ebay saying "used, as is" when you tested and know perfectly well it's broken. It makes you an untrustworthy seller.

The buyer - Didn't bother to ask for a refund before trashing Moulke and, worse, tried to turn around and pawn it off one someone else, again without explaining what was wrong with it.

Was Grundick the buyer? I see it's on his vendor now, still without explaining that the points were mis-spent because of the arti tag.

[Muolke]

I'd say you're both wrong.

Muolke - Lies of omission are still lies. It's like on ebay saying "used, as is" when you tested and know perfectly well it's broken. It makes you an untrustworthy seller.

In my view, and as others have also said, it's not broken. It's just not as valuable because you lost out on some points. Is a BC with 380 spendable points instead of 495 worthless? If that's your argument then ok, but the in my opinion the price difference justifies the loss of points. Another poster said they'd pay 250ED for the item and I had it listed for slightly more then that.

I saw it more as someone selling tires, with some thread already used up. But instead of paying $100 per tire they paid $60.

Thank you for the feedback.

[Wil]

In my view, and as others have also said, it's not broken. It's just not as valuable because you lost out on some points.

But you clearly understand that some folks, maybe many, will see it as damaged goods.

in my opinion the price difference justifies the loss of points.

Folks sell broken gear on ebay listed as "broken, for parts" all the time. It's perfectly legit -- when the listing makes it clear you're not getting an undamaged item.

I saw it more as someone selling tires, with some thread already used up. But instead of paying $100 per tire they paid $60.

After your inspection of the tire revealed that the tread was starting to separate. Only you didn't mention that, you just said "hey, it's a used tire for cheap since it's used."

Also, 40% off list for used goods is a rip-off unless the goods are darn near pristine.

Regards,
Wil

[PaPa]

first off i dint read everyone comments so this might have been said already but heres my 2 cents.

Buyer be warned. It is 100% the buyers responsibility ro make sure the item they are buying is what they want.

the seller could but does not need to put anything in the description at all if they dont want.

If the buyer buys an item and after they buy it could go to the seller and tell them they made a mistake and would like a refund minus the seller fee. but that would be totaly up to the seller if they refund.


now if the seller misinformed in the description that diffrent.

Its not the sellers responsibility to make sure the buyer knows what hes buying off a vendor. its 100% the buyers responsibility to make sure they know what they are buying.

Thants my 2 cents.

[Charon]

Both of you are in the wrong.

- You could have been more clear on description on BC (put a book with it READ THIS BEFORE BUYING), if you wanted to be fully transparent. You don't need to put anything at all.

- We have GMs to handle players slandering other players in this fashion. leave it to them not the forum.

- The other player shouldn't have used the description he did.

Had you not posted it basically no one would have noticed and could have been handled between you and the GMs
but now its on the forums, for everyone to chime in on.

So ya, you both messed up.

[Muolke]

Both of you are in the wrong.

- You could have been more clear on description on BC (put a book with it READ THIS BEFORE BUYING), if you wanted to be fully transparent. You don't need to put anything at all.

- We have GMs to handle players slandering other players in this fashion. leave it to them not the forum.

- The other player shouldn't have used the description he did.

Had you not posted it basically no one would have noticed and could have been handled between you and the GMs
but now its on the forums, for everyone to chime in on.

So ya, you both messed up.

My point here wasn't to shame him or anything else. The point was to get feedback from the community, which is why I took it to the forum and it's also why I didn't include any player or vendor names in my post. If everyone would have said yup you screwed up big time I would have taken that a certain way, but it seems like there's mixed reactions.

At the end of the day it's a pretty small community and I don't screw over people. I like to negotiate prices with people but i'm generally pretty fair. Had I wanted to screw another player over I would have listed that BC for 450-500ED and not put anything on there.

Also, had the player messaged me after the fact and asked to take the item back I would have minus the 3% vendor fee but there was no such request.

[Animol]

So I put the item on my vendor for 325ED and in the description I put "points spent".

Which barely tells half the story. You didn't mention how many points were spent, but most importantly, you didn't mention they were spent while the arty tag was still on, and you were reselling the weapon after you removed it, which is 100% misleading.

As any veteran player knows 325ED for a partially leveld BC with arty tag removed is not a standard price for such item.

Sure, that's why you called it a SUPER LOW PRICE in the description, right? Oh, wait...

[Muolke]

Which barely tells half the story. You didn't mention how many points were spent, but most importantly, you didn't mention they were spent while the arty tag was still on, and you were reselling the weapon after you removed it, which is 100% misleading.

If an item just says "points spent" it implies that they're all spent. It's elementary reasoning.

As any veteran player knows 325ED for a partially leveld BC with arty tag removed is not a standard price for such item.

Sure, that's why you called it a SUPER LOW PRICE in the description, right? Oh, wait...[/quote]

Yes...most of the items on my vendor have that in the description or something similar to it. It's a marketing tool to draw attention. Again, if my point was to deceive or mislead I would have put it up at full price. The discounted price was a reflection of the imperfections with the BC.

Had I put the BC up for 50ED you would be singing a different tune. So if something that has such a standardized value is discounted to deeply, one would use common sense and figure out something may be wrong. Several people on this very thread said they noticed it right away as well as other players I spoke with in game that chose not to comment in this thread.