Should a person be forced to change colors every time a guild buys the color out?
I was forced to change my color, Fine ok what ever, i let the offended party know that I change hue to a hue that looks similar to the old one. the response was "that funny, that is are next color"
Seem logical that if you bought the uni-tubs to change an item to a hue you like you should have to change the color to an new one. I believe that the hue on the other hand should not be allowed to be used by none guildies after it is purchased but a Grandfather clause should also be in effect.
I don't have the opportunity to play as much as i like and it very irritating to logon on in 2-3 weeks and again find out that you have to change my colors but once again.
Can't the uni-tubs hue be locked out once purchased and anyone that previously had that hue still be allowed to own it? and wouldn't that be more reasonable then forcing the color removal after the fact?
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Re: Guild Colors
In fairness, If a guild used a hue you were currently using, you have no obligation to change what so ever. If you choose to change so as to not be associated with them then thats your call. Out-with a guild, your character is independant and free to do whatever he/she likes.
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Re: Guild Colors
I agree. A few months ago, I purchased the rights to our guild colors, which happen to be used by a few other members.
Thing is, those other players, for the most part, had the colors before my guild; therefore I respect that and would never consider requesting them to change.
The downside is, there are still players obtaining our guild colors, despite the fact its "not on the market" anymore. I can only assume prior members still have the colors, or players who had the colors before us, are freely telling others the hue number.
In short, there's no real way to "own" colors to your guild. Someone outside of your guild will always have them, and someone new is bound to get them.
Thing is, those other players, for the most part, had the colors before my guild; therefore I respect that and would never consider requesting them to change.
The downside is, there are still players obtaining our guild colors, despite the fact its "not on the market" anymore. I can only assume prior members still have the colors, or players who had the colors before us, are freely telling others the hue number.
In short, there's no real way to "own" colors to your guild. Someone outside of your guild will always have them, and someone new is bound to get them.
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I had to buy hue 2070 which was very close to the color i had. any one is free to use 2070 with out any complaint from me
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I've also had bad experiences with this. This is probably why Rayne doesn't like me, but I'll tell the story anyway.
So one day I really wanted to dye my skin so that my angel form would look nicer. I spent hours and hours searching through hues, wrote down over 20 and spent more hours trying to narrow them down and decide between them. In other words, I spent a LONG time deciding what color would be perfect. So then I picked the color and hued myself.
Skip forward about a month, and I'm at some event where Rayne is present. After the event, I get a PM from Rayne saying that my skin color is reserved and that I would have to change it. I knew of no guild that had reserved the color, and I was naturally upset that the color I had been using for a month already and spent most of a day deciding on (and had no intention to ever change again) was claimed to be in use. When I asked her about it, she told me that the color was one of the ones SHE had chosen and reserved, and to that date I had NEVER seen her use it. I was upset, and I tried to state my case, but she pretty much just stonewalled me and told me I would have to change it and she would give me 24 hours to pick a new one.
I found that very unfair. Shortly after she made a clear show of the color by applying it to a mount and riding it around, obviously in an attempt to show me up. No one would have known about this except me, so it was pretty blatantly an attempt to say without words "Hey look, here's the color you were using, on this mount." I had NEVER seen her on the mount before that, nor had anyone I asked about it. Now, was it fair that I had to change from a color I was actually using and really liked just because a GM had written it down on a piece of paper a long time ago and then never really used it?
Reserving guild colors is a novel idea and I can see why uoex GMs would want to have that...it gives guilds a sense of uniqueness that this game's limited engine couldn't. But it's pretty unrealistic in practice without any actual code behind it, because there's no way for anyone to know for sure that no one else is using their color. And technically, Orbit, you're wrong in that a guild CAN claim a color and then demand that someone who had it previously had to change, according to the rules as Colibri laid them out to me. You're totally legal in doing that. Yeah, it would kind of a rude move, but you can do it. I mean....Rayne did it to me, technically.
And Rayne....yeah, this was a long time ago, but I found it very unfair then and this topic brought up very strong resentment about that. I really liked the color, just like you do. That's why I picked it. I spent a LOT of time using it, whereas like I have said, I never saw you use it until after you berated me for using it, and I suppose you could have not really intended to cause the feelings you did by parading around with it right after you had taken it from me, but you did it nonetheless. I wish we could have gotten off on better terms, but come on. Can you not see how ridiculous that situation was?
Honestly, I really don't like the rule about color reservation. I think it's a very bad practice without code behind it. These reserved colors should be locked out of the uni-tub. There was no way for me to know that you had reserved the color ahead of time. (I'm sure you would say here that I could have read the post on the forum, but honestly, who is going to go and search through thousands of forum posts to find one about which colors had been reserved by who? I don't know if there even is a post on that.) I think the rule really should be removed until some code is implemented to support it...granted, GMs will change the color and refund you an uni-tub, but like me, most people spend HOURS picking out their colors...and it really sucks to have someone come along and be like "Hey, that's my color." Especially a GM, who we rarely actually SEE in the game.
I'm actually kind of scared making this post that I'll upset Rayne, but honestly, I think the incident in question had soured her opinion of me long ago anyway, so it can't really hurt. I'm just stating the truth as I know it, and if I get in trouble for that...well....wow.
So one day I really wanted to dye my skin so that my angel form would look nicer. I spent hours and hours searching through hues, wrote down over 20 and spent more hours trying to narrow them down and decide between them. In other words, I spent a LONG time deciding what color would be perfect. So then I picked the color and hued myself.
Skip forward about a month, and I'm at some event where Rayne is present. After the event, I get a PM from Rayne saying that my skin color is reserved and that I would have to change it. I knew of no guild that had reserved the color, and I was naturally upset that the color I had been using for a month already and spent most of a day deciding on (and had no intention to ever change again) was claimed to be in use. When I asked her about it, she told me that the color was one of the ones SHE had chosen and reserved, and to that date I had NEVER seen her use it. I was upset, and I tried to state my case, but she pretty much just stonewalled me and told me I would have to change it and she would give me 24 hours to pick a new one.
I found that very unfair. Shortly after she made a clear show of the color by applying it to a mount and riding it around, obviously in an attempt to show me up. No one would have known about this except me, so it was pretty blatantly an attempt to say without words "Hey look, here's the color you were using, on this mount." I had NEVER seen her on the mount before that, nor had anyone I asked about it. Now, was it fair that I had to change from a color I was actually using and really liked just because a GM had written it down on a piece of paper a long time ago and then never really used it?
Reserving guild colors is a novel idea and I can see why uoex GMs would want to have that...it gives guilds a sense of uniqueness that this game's limited engine couldn't. But it's pretty unrealistic in practice without any actual code behind it, because there's no way for anyone to know for sure that no one else is using their color. And technically, Orbit, you're wrong in that a guild CAN claim a color and then demand that someone who had it previously had to change, according to the rules as Colibri laid them out to me. You're totally legal in doing that. Yeah, it would kind of a rude move, but you can do it. I mean....Rayne did it to me, technically.
And Rayne....yeah, this was a long time ago, but I found it very unfair then and this topic brought up very strong resentment about that. I really liked the color, just like you do. That's why I picked it. I spent a LOT of time using it, whereas like I have said, I never saw you use it until after you berated me for using it, and I suppose you could have not really intended to cause the feelings you did by parading around with it right after you had taken it from me, but you did it nonetheless. I wish we could have gotten off on better terms, but come on. Can you not see how ridiculous that situation was?
Honestly, I really don't like the rule about color reservation. I think it's a very bad practice without code behind it. These reserved colors should be locked out of the uni-tub. There was no way for me to know that you had reserved the color ahead of time. (I'm sure you would say here that I could have read the post on the forum, but honestly, who is going to go and search through thousands of forum posts to find one about which colors had been reserved by who? I don't know if there even is a post on that.) I think the rule really should be removed until some code is implemented to support it...granted, GMs will change the color and refund you an uni-tub, but like me, most people spend HOURS picking out their colors...and it really sucks to have someone come along and be like "Hey, that's my color." Especially a GM, who we rarely actually SEE in the game.
I'm actually kind of scared making this post that I'll upset Rayne, but honestly, I think the incident in question had soured her opinion of me long ago anyway, so it can't really hurt. I'm just stating the truth as I know it, and if I get in trouble for that...well....wow.
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Re: Guild Colors
I won't really comment on the story about +Rayne, as you and I, Kaiana, are most assuredly in the same boat. I've had more than my fair share of run-ins with her and would prefer to avoid it altogether, regardless of the purpose.
On to the guild colors; I was not aware of being able to request others to drop a color I have reserved for my guild. As I mentioned, there are several players who are quite new, that have somehow obtained our guild hue; as well as a few vets who already have it. I'm not pointing fingers, just stating that somehow, my guild hue is "getting around". I'm well aware of a guild being able to claim a color, but what I was pointing out, is that no matter what color you claim; it is inevitable that someone outside of your guild will wind up with it. Thus why I agree, wholeheartedly, on having coding implemented to prevent people from obtaining it once it's claimed.
Again, like I said above, I would never request someone to ditch the color if they had it prior to my guild laying claim to it. Regardless of whether or not I'm "allowed", I still find it rude. As for the others who were former members, or anyone else obtaining it through various means; it's aggravating but I won't request a color change from them either. I've had more than enough drama on this shard that I'd prefer not waging war with random people that I don't know for sure deliberately "stole" the guild color. There are former members who kept it and handed the color out.
However, +Colibri stated to me several weeks ago when I made an actual complaint about it; that there is no rule implemented that says someone cannot have our guild color. So, to touch lightly on your story about +Rayne; you shouldn't have been forced to remove that color; regardless if staff claimed it or not. And I hope this part isn't taken out of context; but otherwise, you being forced to remove a color when there's no rule to say you cannot have it, sounds like a double standard.
On to the guild colors; I was not aware of being able to request others to drop a color I have reserved for my guild. As I mentioned, there are several players who are quite new, that have somehow obtained our guild hue; as well as a few vets who already have it. I'm not pointing fingers, just stating that somehow, my guild hue is "getting around". I'm well aware of a guild being able to claim a color, but what I was pointing out, is that no matter what color you claim; it is inevitable that someone outside of your guild will wind up with it. Thus why I agree, wholeheartedly, on having coding implemented to prevent people from obtaining it once it's claimed.
Again, like I said above, I would never request someone to ditch the color if they had it prior to my guild laying claim to it. Regardless of whether or not I'm "allowed", I still find it rude. As for the others who were former members, or anyone else obtaining it through various means; it's aggravating but I won't request a color change from them either. I've had more than enough drama on this shard that I'd prefer not waging war with random people that I don't know for sure deliberately "stole" the guild color. There are former members who kept it and handed the color out.
However, +Colibri stated to me several weeks ago when I made an actual complaint about it; that there is no rule implemented that says someone cannot have our guild color. So, to touch lightly on your story about +Rayne; you shouldn't have been forced to remove that color; regardless if staff claimed it or not. And I hope this part isn't taken out of context; but otherwise, you being forced to remove a color when there's no rule to say you cannot have it, sounds like a double standard.
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The only way I would ever change my hue color is if they paid me double of what I paid for the uni tub. They want to be singled out, fine. But I'm not going to spend my own money to help their pathetic cause.
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Orbit, the point about your complaint to Coli and his response definitely makes me a bit peeved. Because I was told exactly the opposite when I tried to fight what happened to me. Soooo....I guess I'll hue up
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Re: Guild Colors
Yeah; it seems to be one of those fine line rules. I had an issue with a former guild member still sporting our colors; and I had told this former member he could get in trouble for still using them despite being out of the guild.
I informed +Colibri that I had stated that to that person; and he informed me that since there is no rule against it not much can be done. Not to mention, here is a direct quote from the Codex:
"No penalties for breaking these rules for now, but if there's alot of violations we may start by penalizing with gold/tokens/stats or deleting items."
So, I'll admit; I'm certainly baffled by you being forced to switch a color when there's no clear rule. Of course, I understand it's staff; but is it really fair for staff to secure a color for themselves and prevent usage, but not for guilds?
I informed +Colibri that I had stated that to that person; and he informed me that since there is no rule against it not much can be done. Not to mention, here is a direct quote from the Codex:
"No penalties for breaking these rules for now, but if there's alot of violations we may start by penalizing with gold/tokens/stats or deleting items."
So, I'll admit; I'm certainly baffled by you being forced to switch a color when there's no clear rule. Of course, I understand it's staff; but is it really fair for staff to secure a color for themselves and prevent usage, but not for guilds?