Suggestions For The Server

[Sub Zero]

Hi im new here but seen some things the server could use to help players more in game mostly all small things.

For the caster keys, gem keys etc add a gumb to fill from backpack a lot of time I use [claimall so I can get the regs/gems and other things and it takes a lot of extra time to single click each item u want to add in your keys, also sometimes your pack is so packed with items its hard to see these items like gems because they are pretty small..

Add the new pm system u can find it on runuo forums it stores the last 50 pms u receive would help out a lot of players to keep track of the convo's they have with others (its pretty annoying to go to the site everytime u want to see your convo)

For [claim add something like [Claim options so u can selete witch types of loot u would like to claim also maybe add in a loot bad so everything u claim goes to this bag so it does not clutter up your main backpack

Add a gold ledger or checkbook not one that auto loots gold because gold would just be way to easy to get but one that just stores gold its kinda annoying to run to the bank everytime u get over 10k gold on u...(not everyone uses MUles)

Add a command like [mystats or [mytotals so players can see there total stats like lmc lrc fc fcr etc....

Add the normal moongates in fel so that u can travel town to town but not anywhere in tram and other places, Ive played this game for 15 years and I still get lost in fel I don't kno the whole map of the top of my hand and I kno a lot of other players get lost as well

Add more vote sites, I see only 2 vote sites in Brit and I only found this Server because it came up in a google search once

I have more just cant think right now, Im in the middle of working on a pc so i'll add more when they come to mind thx

[Asmodean]

Hi Sub Zero,

I like the gump idea

customizable claim has been discussed many times, and is overall a bad idea as it will lead to too much inflation.
You can use an organizer agent to sort stuff into your bag or gem pouch.

Try a bag of holding for your gold 400 or 600 ED on the stone in trinsic.
They hold 20 or 40 items (or stacks of items) for 0 weight.

Could also try using a bag of sending for your gold, as long as you aren't in doom gauntlet.

you can download uo automap for a map to help you not get lost, or if you use razor, it has a mapper right there.

there's a script called nabor stat on our forums under coding talk, that will help you know your total stats, if you have easyuo.

[grunger]

For [claim add something like [Claim options so u can selete witch types of loot u would like to claim also maybe add in a loot bad so everything u claim goes to this bag so it does not clutter up your main backpack

Add a gold ledger or checkbook not one that auto loots gold because gold would just be way to easy to get but one that just stores gold its kinda annoying to run to the bank everytime u get over 10k gold on u...(not everyone uses MUles)

In AssistUO u can manage all this + there are bag of holdings which store up to 40 different items with zero weight.
http://www.runuo.com/products/assistuo

The point of Felucca is to be harder than Trammel, so we don't want moongates there + there are many secret passes and sparkles which leads to different places in Fel. Also u can use UO Auto Map or the map in AssistUO, map in Razor to be faster riding around

And welcome

[Sub Zero]

Yes I kno all these things, Im suggesting this stuff to make it easier for players in game without any 3rd party programs many shards have all these system these days this is a 20 year old game and I do see this is a fully custom shard so the dev/dev's here should have np writing these into the currant scripts. Also I don't see how making a cliam option would cause inflation when most players use [claimall anyways and have an organizer set for there token back for item they do not want

[Sub Zero]

Also idk bout u but I don't have 400-600 ED laying around for a bag kinda feel some of these system arnt in place to force donation kinda

Assistuo is pretty buggy and I rather use razor but I kno about Assistuo's grab options, Like I said before im looking for in game options and shouldn't be a big deal to ask, For 1 simple fact every1 is suggesting to use scripts, orginizers, razor/assistuo options to get around all this, So u cant say would cause inflation or cause anything bad when every1 is doin 1 of these options to get around all this already

[Asmodean]

have a look at this thread, so i don't have to repeat myself:

http://uoex.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6345&start=0

Also, let me know what you mean by "most players use [claimall anyways and have an organizer set for there token back for item they do not want"

I think I know 1 person, other than you that says they do that. i can kill more stuff quicker by NOT looting the junk weapons and armor from everything. Quicker to just leave it, and kill more stuff. Claim the bodies, and move the gold.

Imagine, if you had 100 people getting 100k more per day, doing the exact same thing they were doing now... gold increase would be 10 mil PER DAY. Now, imagine if you actually gained 200k, or 500k per day. What would prices do if there were BILLIONS more gold on the server?

the option is there if you want to loot, and you don't have to if you don't want to. Adding it would just ruin the economy, which IS a big deal to ask.

[lestatzero]

The fact of the matter is To implement those types of features takes time and scripting and when you can use the 3rd party programs to do most if not all of this for you and the script/code is already done and available ... why add it ... Don't Fix something that's not broke ... And you do not have to donate to get 400 or 600 ed you can go and kill monsters and such to do everything and get gold to buy them... a openuo script is avl free that will sort everything onto your keys and youc an use razors organizer and put all your gems in it with one button ... you can also trash into your token bag the weapons you do not want ... Donations are optional and not required... It just takes more time and effort to get everything you want if you do not donate ... So a feature like this i do not forsee ever being added to the shard... It's just not needed with all of the other resources available to everyone...

[Sub Zero]

ok Asmodean I have no idea wat or saying or why u would think these features would add billions into the game....

Lestatzero I kno there is srcipts and wat not to do this but if u read what I have posted im lookin for a in game option to make it a bit less easier on players and also like I said most of the new servers that are doing pretty well have them I wont say any names, Also is would not take a lot of scripting to add most of this stuff to the shard also most of it is already available on the runuo forums, and u say don't fix wat is not broken well imo the pm system is broken cause u cant keep track of who pm'ed or even see who pm'ed u if u crashed....

Why or how would things like add all items from pack hurt the server in anyway to the keys? I can see reason why no one would want checkbook or gold ledger but not why anyone wouldn't want these other gumbs as a in game feature

These are just my suggestions take it how u want but w.e I think there good ideas and should be looked at that's all I have to say about this subject thx

[lestatzero]

ok Asmodean I have no idea wat or saying or why u would think these features would add billions into the game....

Lestatzero I kno there is srcipts and wat not to do this but if u read what I have posted im lookin for a in game option to make it a bit less easier on players and also like I said most of the new servers that are doing pretty well have them I wont say any names, Also is would not take a lot of scripting to add most of this stuff to the shard also most of it is already available on the runuo forums, and u say don't fix wat is not broken well imo the pm system is broken cause u cant keep track of who pm'ed or even see who pm'ed u if u crashed....

These are just my suggestions take it how u want but w.e I think there good ideas and should be looked at that's all I have to say about this subject thx

Acutally you can see who pm'ed you and everhthing of the sort go to portal.uoex.net and click on messages and there is a log of all incoming and outgoing messages you have sent receintly available right there ...

And as for some of the other shards that have some of the features that you are requesting ... Most of them are running on a newer version of the serve ... we are running a older version that is quite customized ... Adding all of the sort features and such in game by default would make it so everyone would be doing what you are doing and flood the server with even more gold as Asmodean was saying. By forcing you to choose to either set up and use 3rd party scripts or to not [claimall helps the shard keep inflation down by a small percentage ... As Asmodean stated ... I use [claimall most of the time and auto sort everything in the matter of moments with out the need of the features you suggest needing to be added... Also adding these types of sort features directly to the server adds more processing requests to the serve and can cause more lag and such which is not called for ... Take the time to set up and use the sort features in razor and research the 3rd party apps and have some fun ...

Lestat

[+Nyx]

Hi im new here but seen some things the server could use to help players more in game mostly all small things.

Hello and welcome. Let me just address you ideas in order

- I like the caster's key gump idea.
- I also like the idea of having a history of PM accessible in-game, however I am not sure this is a particularly feasible option.
- An options menu for claim has been suggested probably 300 times in the last few yeas, and every time the staff discuss it we decide it is not an addition we wish to make. Players can [claimall and deal with the sorting, or they can loot only what they want in the first place. This helps, however ambiguous it may seem, with inflation.
- The gold depository is another thing we often see younger players suggesting, and again it's not something the staff feel is a wise addition for the economy. We have bags of holding that a player can work towards to hold their gold.
- I like this idea, it would be handy to have an in-game viewable gump for one's stats.
- Another suggestion we hear pretty often and always decide not to implement. Fel is the way it is for a reason. If you find that you get lost there, you can use AutoMap should you so desire.
- I agree, more voting sites might be a good idea.

Overall, I think your suggestions were well thought out and interesting, but in most cases there are reasons why things like the claim command are the way they are, and are unlikely to change. I see also in another post you mentioned that most of these are 'available already on runuo'. This may be true, but keep in mind we are not using runuo 2.0 or higher, which 99% of the scripts readily available on runuo are coded for. Every one we snag from there would basically have to be rewritten to be compatible with our version, and thus take considerably more time than just 'plug and play'.

[Sub Zero]

@ +Nyx thx for reading my suggestions and adding your input, but one question if the [claim idea has been suggested over 300 times and everyone is just saying use razor/assist uo or scripts to do this why not just add the feature in game? Imo it would give the shard a lot more reason to play here its the small things that really to matter imo and like I said befor its a 20+ year old game and ive played for a good 15 years myself im pretty much tired of doing all the sortoring and grabing unwanted items etc all im saying is some of these other servers out there that have features like this will most likely be more appealing to a lot of players, but that being said I do like the fact this server is fully custom and with it being fully custom you much have some good scriptors so most of this shouldn't even be a problem for them at all I have done some script work in my past and this is all small stuff anyways have fun cya guys in game

[+Nyx]

@ +Nyx thx for reading my suggestions and adding your input, but one question if the [claim idea has been suggested over 300 times and everyone is just saying use razor/assist uo or scripts to do this why not just add the feature in game?

Well, just because many people suggest it, doesn't mean it's the right choice. There's a lot that players don't think of, or aren't aware of in terms of the economy and the shard as a whole. Our job as staff is to take all of the suggestions in and determine what the best course of action is for the shard. It isn't just about catering to what the players want, what gets suggested a lot, or making everything easier on them. It's about making the game functional, interesting, and as balanced as possible. Yes, there are other shards out there that have these functions in them, and maybe they're perfectly nice shards. But what works for one, does not necessarily work for another. If you find another shard more appealing, by all means play there and enjoy yourself to the fullest, with my blessing. But Excelsior is a great shard, too, and it hasn't gotten there by just implementing every popular suggestion without regard for how it will affect the shard in the long term.

[Cornbread]

@ +Nyx thx for reading my suggestions and adding your input, but one question if the [claim idea has been suggested over 300 times and everyone is just saying use razor/assist uo or scripts to do this why not just add the feature in game?

Well, just because many people suggest it, doesn't mean it's the right choice. There's a lot that players don't think of, or aren't aware of in terms of the economy and the shard as a whole. Our job as staff is to take all of the suggestions in and determine what the best course of action is for the shard. It isn't just about catering to what the players want, what gets suggested a lot, or making everything easier on them. It's about making the game functional, interesting, and as balanced as possible. Yes, there are other shards out there that have these functions in them, and maybe they're perfectly nice shards. But what works for one, does not necessarily work for another. If you find another shard more appealing, by all means play there and enjoy yourself to the fullest, with my blessing. But Excelsior is a great shard, too, and it hasn't gotten there by just implementing every popular suggestion without regard for how it will affect the shard in the long te rm.

I've probably suggested this half of the 300. Mostly because I love hitting f5 and it claiming stuff for me so I can be lazy. On the other hand if I had every item that I just claimed I would definitely make more gold. So I understand and am complacent with the way it is.

[Sub Zero]

yea I understand there needs to be balance and imo the economy is more in the favor of the people that been here years or have donated and every1 is suggesting to use a 3rd party program for this feature witch really just counters your theories of being unbalanced. As it is tokens are nurfed on champs bodies decay in like 10 sec's so its hard to loot anything from champs gold is also nurfed on them.. When I got here I donated 30$ and sold the ed just to get on my feet I bought 5 maxed breeder pets some goc items and other gear I worked most my needed skills to 100-120 and today I tried killin a pargon ancient wyrm in fel today with all my pets and lvl bow 30 mins later he was still half life, my pets died a ton and lost a great deal of stats so there pretty much worthless now, I died a ton and lost a good deal on insurance money, So I asked someone to come help they kill this ancient in less than a min with no pets and barely lost any life at all, and ive seen people selling all the good stuff for like 1k ed or 60mil crazy prices, so imo the economy is not really set up for a new player or even a player who has been here for months

[Unbeliever]

Sub Zero, I'm a fourteen year veteran of Ultima Online but I'm also new here like you - I just hit one month on Excelsior. I think I have some perspective on what you're saying.

People who have played UO for a long time as we both have, who have built and sold or deleted multiple fortunes, tend to get tired of the beginning and even middle game. You've had castles and millions of gp on other servers and that's where you want to be again, and all the tedium of building up to it seems like torture sometimes. But here's the thing - all that hard work serves a purpose. As others have said it helps keep the economy in check - if not entirely then at least partially, and every little bit helps. Also, I am and always will be a champion of the idea of working for what you get. A hard-earned success will always be more special than a handout, and I think that translates to a better class of player and better player retention.

Whether you agree with that or not, here's an undeniable fact. If you've played UO for as long as you say you have, it shouldn't take you very long to amass quite a fortune here. Prior to Exclesior I never played any version of UO newer than 2001, so I started off more than a decade behind. I also didn't read much on the forum at first, so I wasted my first two weeks macroing unneeded skills/standing around doing nothing. Yet I now own two houses and have earned and spent several million gold because of my background with UO and Razor, and getting wisdom from the forum, wiki, and other players. That without knowing anyone here when I started or spending any money on donations yet (though I absolutely plan to when the time is right). I still can't compete with very powerful players - just last night I proved to be useless at the end of the Rikktor champ spawn - but that's okay. I don't need to be a godlike player right away and I refuse to get frustrated over the fact that I'm not one yet. If you settle down, learn what you need to learn and do what you need to do, it won't take long to get there.