Found a big bug.

[Cornbread]

When banning someone from a house using the search option previously it would tell you if that persons account is already banned. After last restart it doesn't work that way. I tried last night to block Devlin and one of his alts and they both were listed. as "The account of Devlin" or his alts. Instead of giving the warning that this account was already banned. So with it this way how do we know it is blocking someone's account at all or just that player? If I don't like someone and don't want them in my house why would I block Devlin but let him sneak in on his alt?

[lestatzero]

i think it banns the whole account but only displays the name of the person you activly banned ... this way you can't exploit the banning to know that so and so is this person's alt ...

[Cornbread]

Or we don't know what it bans, and someone can exploit the person's house who they are being banned from.

[Dramoor]

i think it banns the whole account but only displays the name of the person you activly banned ... this way you can't exploit the banning to know that so and so is this person's alt ...

In other words. Let a person you don't like befriend you and scam you for information and/or goods, free items, etc. Idiotic

Sounds like an awesome Idea to me........Scamming of players rate go up, as being caught scamming goes down.

[+Colibri]

Yes after the last restart, it's no longer possible to figure out the alt characters of a person with this house ban list "bug".

But the ban still works on all alts. So basically, if you don't know someone's alt character names, you can ban all 5 of them, but it would be equally effective if you ban only one.
However, if a banned character is deleted, then the whole account is basically unbanned from the house (assuming you have only put that one character on the ban list).

[Cornbread]

Yes after the last restart, it's no longer possible to figure out the alt characters of a person with this house ban list "bug".

But the ban still works on all alts. So basically, if you don't know someone's alt character names, you can ban all 5 of them, but it would be equally effective if you ban only one.
However, if a banned character is deleted, then the whole account is basically unbanned from the house (assuming you have only put that one character on the ban list).

Ok, but as you say if they delete a character the person is effectively unbanned. What about renaming? Doesn't this really defeat the purpose of banning them if it's possible for them to circumvent the system?

[Xavian]

The change allows a person to have anonymity with their alts. The way it was set up before it was being "exploited" to determine who somebody's alts were. The entire account "suffers" from a ban, whether you know the alts or not. Sure if they delete the character the ban goes away, but the majority of the time you are banning a primary character and people aren't likely to delete their main toon. If they delete their main toon and you haven't banned the alts previously, then you probably didn't have an issue with them. If you do in the future, which one would assume is the case, then ban them as well.

As for name changes, I doubt that would affect anything as the ban is likely by ID, which does not change with a name change.

[Cornbread]

The way I see it is someone is much more likely to act stupid or scam someone or whatever on an alt in the first place. Which of course is much more likely to be deleted. We don't know if a name change affects it, only +Colibri does. The whole anonymity thing is fine, I don't really care if/who anyone's alts are. What I do care about is if I have a problem with a person on one of their throw away characters why should I lose my banning of said person when they delete that character. That will allow them to repeatedly make and delete characters for the purpose of whatever caused them to be banned in the first place. It's not the character that anyone has a problem with, it's the person sitting at the keyboard.

[Cornbread]

Still not fond of this change, but whatever. Just looked through the codex at the changelog, since we had a reboot, and noticed it wasn't posted anywhere. What's the purpose of the changelog if it only shows part of the updates. Leaving out some that are relevant. To be honest if there's going to be a decision to show only some of them I'd rather see things that alter game mechanics than things such as "add new drinks (champagne, etc...)". Also no changelog for today's reboot.

[Gaara]

Also no changelog for today's reboot.

Patience is a virtue

[+Nyx]

Admittedly the drinks were added at my request. I need them for various things in Elysium but I also wanted them added in time for the Halloween party. Don't hate!

[Agony]

We don't know if a name change affects it, only +Colibri does.

The ban system uses character ID numbers. No matter what the name may be or what it is changed to, it is statically bound to the same ID number. There is no way to change this number, so it's basically impossible for a player to do anything to unban his character from another player's house.

[Cornbread]

However, if a banned character is deleted, then the whole account is basically unbanned from the house (assuming you have only put that one character on the ban list).

If you read +Colibri's reply he says deleting said character will unban the account. And we can all assume the method/methods he uses to code things, but until someone actually posts the code no one will know. I'm not saying he is lying or even think he is, just stating a fact.

[Agony]

An account ID and a character ID are two separate things. The ban system uses the character ID primarily in association with the account ID. When the character ID is banned, it is associated with the character's account id and the whole account is banned. But.. when that character ID is deleted, the ban list no longer associates anything with the account, thus, unbanning it. Being said, it is impossible for a player to unban his character from another player's house. He can unban his account.. but not his character.
When staff checks logs to see if a player was exploiting or what not.. they check the character ID as well as the name. This makes it impossible for the character to simply exploit, then change his name to hide from staff etc etc. The house ban system uses the same id so that a character cannot simply change his name to further harass the house owner.

[Cornbread]

I don't think you're reading or thinking about what I'm saying. Do you know for a fact that he's using account ID or character ID when doing anything? I don't think so. My issue with the whole situation is that if anyone of any intelligence wants to do something they will not do it on their main character that they have all the time and ED spent on. They will do it with an alt. Previously you could ensure that every character they had was banned and was certain that you were protected from that person in the future. Now they can scam, exploit or whatever with an alt then come in and be your friend with either another alt or their main after deleting the useless alt they previously scammed you with.