Unfair jail sentence

[Nass Karr]

OK first I want to admit that I was jailed for something that I should have been jailed for, not paying attention to my computer while in the Citadel. I was watching the final of the Voice and had a few drinks and didn't see the AFK check. Guilty as charged and I accept my penalty for doing so.

However I was accused of being AFK while fighting a Halloween boss with 5 pets I was trying to keep alive. I swear on my kids lives I was in fact at my keyboard healing my pets when a GM said I was AFK. I don't know about everyone else but without even 1 relayer it would have been sure death to try to fight a Halloween boss while being AFK with the best of scripts running. I never saw the AFK check if it was sent and I was informed that if I was "caught" being AFK again I would recieve a harsher penalty. I'm not a power player or recall leveler as the logs can show, but I think 500 tasks in the rock jail is way over the top for something I was not guilty of.

I have had a great time coming back to UO after being gone for 10 years but there is no way I can serve this unfair penalty because of a new GMs misrepresentaition of what happened.

To the people I've met that I've helped and who've helped me I have to say it's been fun to experience the game again. I must say farewell to my good friend Cygnus, my guildmaster Geo Fizzle, my friend Sethra LaVode and any other people I've forgot. I think this shard is a great way for former OSI vets to enjoy the game again. I just don't have the time to invest in jail tasks that will take months to complete as a result of a GM that misread what was happening.

To +Nyx and +V I've had a great time with the events you've held since I've been here except for the St. Patrick's day quests that kicked my butt. I don't blame the admins because they can only go by whats in the the logs.

If someone is in need of some decent housing I have a Castle and a Keep that I have that will soon be available. Since I can't
pm anyone in game anymore my keep is at the south end of the Tokuno desert. Cygnus has a rune th both my keep and my Castle.

Best wishes to all my friends.

Nass Karr out!

[Xavian]

If in fact you had only received a warning and this is the second time then you are right that is should not be so much. However, there is likely a reason why you received the next step on the penalty scale. There's the possibility that the GM goofed a little, but it is more likely that there is a part to this story that you aren't telling us. If you like the server as you say you do, then do the tasks and come back to enjoy it further. Otherwise, safe travels to you

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From the Codex:
When killing spawn or leveling weapons: you need to be at the keyboard at all time. If you do not reply within 60 seconds, it will be understood that you are AFK. Once you are moved to jail,

1st step - if it is absolutely the first time: a warning of 2 jail tasks.
1st step - if you were found AFK before, but your penalties have already decayed: a warning of 20 jail tasks.
2nd step: 50 jail tasks and weapon impound for 1 week.
3rd step: 500 jail tasks and weapon impound for 1 month.
4th time and further: 3x as many jail tasks as the previous penalty and permanent weapon impound.

[+Nyx]

I was informed that if I was "caught" being AFK again I would recieve a harsher penalty. I'm not a power player or recall leveler as the logs can show, but I think 500 tasks in the rock jail is way over the top for something I was not guilty of.

I have had a great time coming back to UO after being gone for 10 years but there is no way I can serve this unfair penalty because of a new GMs misrepresentaition of what happened.

It isn't the fault of a "new GM". +Requiem uses the exact same AFK checking tool as the rest of us, and I have overseen his AFK checking methods frequently - they are fair and in line with the codex. Not only that, you didn't speak with him about the issue in October as the final word. In fact, you spoke to me. It was your 2nd offense within the 3-month period outlined in the codex. Since +Requiem was relatively new, and I had not been there to see it, and you replied quickly after moved to jail - I reduced your tasks. Instead of the 50 you should have received at that point, or the 25 you were potentially entitled to receive as part of the reduction for replying within 5 minutes, I was very kind and gave you zero. I informed you at that time that if you were caught AFK'ing again within the 3-month period, you would receive the 3rd level offense without exception. I informed you that the October offense still counted toward your tally, I was simply letting you out of the punishment to be nice. You accepted this, you didn't pursue the issue further at that juncture. Then you were caught last night, in your own admission, violating the AFK rules of the shard.

If you feel that you must quit over a justified punishment, that is your prerogative. But the situation was explained to you at the time of the October offense, and you made no effort to have that offense expunged from your record, you accepted it.

This is why, by and large, we do not give much or any leeway on AFK offenses. Nearly every single time I have been very kind and given someone a break on their tasks, they spit it back in my face later with entitlement and drama when they violate the rules again, or still talk crap about the staff and how awful we are. It just isn't worth the effort to be kind when this sort of thing is how it's repaid.

[Xavian]

+1

If in fact you had only received a warning and this is the second time then you are right that is should not be so much. However, there is likely a reason why you received the next step on the penalty scale. ... more likely that there is a part to this story that you aren't telling us.

For every complaint of extreme punishments and injustices that have been posted on the forums there is part of the story missing(until staff provides it to us). You did the crime (3 times), you do the time.

[Nass Karr]

Since +Requiem was relatively new, and I had not been there to see it, and you replied quickly after moved to jail - I reduced your tasks. Instead of the 50 you should have received at that point, or the 25 you were potentially entitled to receive as part of the reduction for replying within 5 minutes, I was very kind and gave you zero.

That is not how it happened. I was talking to +Requiem in the dungeon before he took me to jail to talk to me. The only reason I even knew he was there was because of some sparkly things that I had not seen there before. I even mentioned it to him when he appeared and told me I was afk. I was not in jail when we started our conversation which is why I am so confused how anyone could be considered to be afk when I was fighting a boss and very clearly was having difficulty healing my pets. If I had been running a healing script it would have been quite obvious.

[Nass Karr]

When killing spawn or leveling weapons: you need to be at the keyboard at all time. If you do not reply within 60 seconds, it will be understood that you are AFK. Once you are moved to jail,

1st step - if it is absolutely the first time: a warning of 2 jail tasks.
1st step - if you were found AFK before, but your penalties have already decayed: a warning of 20 jail tasks.
2nd step: 50 jail tasks and weapon impound for 1 week.
3rd step: 500 jail tasks and weapon impound for 1 month.
4th time and further: 3x as many jail tasks as the previous penalty and permanent weapon impound.

This is from the codex. I haven't even been to rock jail one time before this, so how can this be a 3rd step penalty. Both times mentioned earlier were deemed unworthy of jail time because of circumstances should not be considered as violations as the codex says "Once you are moved to jail," then the steps are counted. I've only once been in the jail because I was afk and that was this last time. I'm sorry +Nyx but this is unreasonable punishment for a "2nd" violation.

[+Nyx]

Just because we have been kind and generously removed your tasks for previous offenses does not negate the fact that you have previous offenses. You were even informed that they still counted toward your record and you'd be given these tasks if caught again within the 3-month window. It is not that the previous incidents were not worthy of jail. It is that we were trying to be nice, and show a little good faith that it was an honest mistake and wouldn't happen again. But it did, and here we are.

[+Requiem]

OFFENSE #1

On September 20th you were caught afk (no response within 60 seconds to an afk check). I gave you the benefit of the doubt and only a warning because i was being nice and you responded just as I was moving you to jail. (still counts as an offense even though you received no jail).

OFFENSE #2

On October 3rd you were again caught afk - (no response to the new afk check tool within 60 seconds). Again, given the benefit of the doubt. You also spoke with +Nyx who reduced your jail sentence to zero tasks instead of the 50 as per the codex. Also told you would receive the 3rd level punishment if you were caught again within 3 months.
(still counts as an offense even though you received no jail.)

I never saw the AFK check if it was sent and I was informed that if I was "caught" being AFK again I would recieve a harsher penalty.

OFFENSE #3
On December 18 you were admitedly afk.

OK first I want to admit that I was jailed for something that I should have been jailed for, not paying attention to my computer while in the Citadel.

As per the codex,

3rd step: 500 jail tasks and weapon impound for 1 month.

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edit: typoed the date, fixed it.

[Sethra Lavode]

I have had my differences with the staff here...I have made complaints and given kudos: to post things in the forums in regards to a problem you have is just attention seeking, in my opinion. You can have a different opinion without needing people to see it or agree with it. I am glad that you consider me a friend, so as a friend let me advise you: when you have a problem, let them know - not the forums...whatever they decide, accept it: this is a game and you are choosing to play it. Let it ride...

[seoman]

whatever they decide, accept it: this is a game and you are choosing to play it. Let it ride...

Actually this is THEIR game and we are choosing to play it. Their shard, their rules and we agree to abide by it.

[Xavian]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.. Playing here is a privilege, not a right.

[Nass Karr]

Sethra, I am not airing my dirty laundry here, I'm just trying to explain my situation. It might be their game but I have alot of time and money invested in "their" game. Since I can't pm anyone ingame because I'm in jail I'm using this forum to explain what's happening to me and why they won't see me ingame anymore. If anyone cares please let Cygnus know to watch for my castle to drop so people can grab any of the goodies I have accumulated in my short time here. I know you might think I'm being petty here but you really don't know how f'ed up this really is. If anyone gets a 500 task penalty you should just quit. Consider it like doing the
spring quest over and over 500 times. Very unfair for what they say I did!!!

[Sethra Lavode]

I did get a 500 task penalty: and I did the tasks. I broke the rules and did my time. Did I mean to break them? No. Was it intentional? No. When you need to talk to the staff, send in a help request - that works in jail, too. I will let Cygnus know what's going on: his RL stuff is pretty deep right now.

[fingers]

It isn't the fault of a "new GM". +Requiem uses the exact same AFK checking tool as the rest of us, and I have overseen his AFK checking methods frequently - they are fair and in line with the codex.

+Requiem does a good job of AFK checking. I actually hunted very little since I came back to play and he checked me twice in the first 2 minutes I started to hunt

I have nothing against it though, I am all for preventing bots from flooding the economy with thier ill-gotten gold! And I feel quite safe as I don't even possess a healing script, let alone a recall one or anything to help attacking or barding.

... Well I didn't feel THAT safe yesterday: I recall in doom, right away +R appears, places the wall + triggers the simple question (in this case it was "8 + 8")

As mentionned before, I don't use scripts, instead, I manually press macros (q=target closest, w= attack last target, 4=primary ability, 2 bandage self, etc.) so any time that I am hunting, the text at the bottom of my screen reads something like this:

qw1w33qwq444qqwq45qw55321333344422222233qw2444444424qw1w33qwq444qqwq45qw55321333344422222233qw24444444

Not being too sure of how automated the AFK system is, I did not want to clear my text by pressing "enter" and create a false positive (the answer to 8 + 8 is obv not "qw1w33qwq444..."). So I immediately started to erase my text line using the backspace key (it didn't feel that it took me more than 5-7 seconds to do so). Anyway, I type "16". My best guess would be that it took me 15-20 seconds from the time +R and his wall arrived to the time I entered the answer... +R replied: "close" and something in the lines of: "Thanks for being at the keyboard". Then he left.

I immediately placed a help request and +R was kind enough to come back and clarify. First, it will be no problem for me next time to just clear the text by pressing enter; secondly, according to him, I had more than 30 seconds left when I replied, and he did not remember saying that it was close *here starts the twilight theme*

All this to say that +R seems to take his AFK checking task seriously and, granted anyone can make a mistake, I would doubt that he wouldn't check into the issue if he thought he might be wrong.

I hope this helps!

[+Requiem]

Thank you for that.

When i said i didn't remember saying close, i thought you were referencing the time limit you had left to answer the question.

Yes, I said close, as in the question was 8 - 8, and you answered 8 + 8.

I try to time it so i start my afk check as you finish killing a monster/group of monsters, but it doesn't always work out that way, especially the quicker you move from one location to another. (SLOW DOWN!).

When its a math problem, i have been lenient on the answers. (Such as allowing 16, when the answer is 8 ). In light of recent events, this will be coming to an end as apparently leniency leads people to think they can get away with it. Where I thought i was doing someone a favor, apparently it makes them feel entitled to no punishment, or continued wrong answers, instead of a one time mistake.

Incorrect answers will be counted as failing the afk check. Consider this fair warning.

What it boils down to, is if you are paying attention, you will see the afk check. Pause your script, answer the question, and have a nice day. I usually appear so you know it was me who checked you, although I am not required to. I do it out of courtesy and respect, and to let you know you passed, (or failed as the case might be).

One thing i do get annoyed by, is immediately after a check, people responding in world chat. If you need something, send a page. Don't alert everyone HEY! THEY ARE DOING AFK CHECKS RIGHT NOW! I usually send a pm message to the person and ask them not to do that, and for the most part everyone has understood my reasoning.

For clarification - When i do my checks, i am at the keyboard, watching you usually for a few seconds before even starting the check (as i said, trying to time it so you aren't in battle). I can usually tell the difference between someone cleaning up their macros (although i prefer F keys for that reason or the logitech keyboard with 18 G keys... so i don't have to clear that wall of text) and someone just saying things at random intervals.