New type of PvP on the shard

[Undertaker]

interest from 16 people already voting in favor there is definite interest

well duh.. but also 37 people who dislike it... you cant even double 16 to be tied, or even close...

efanchenko made a point, we hit 130+ players without pvp... that counts for something, the 37 people voting AGAINST this idea also counts for something...

an this idea started from a pvper, wanting pvp here, an to cut it short, whenever she wants her "fix" of pvp excitement, she goes back to that other shard, plays for a bit then comes back here... thats really how it all started, an of course lico's idea..

I came here because it was a non-pvp shard. I agree with previous sentiments that pvp breeds a bad atmosphere. Already we have people being called "closed minded" by a pvp'er and we have pvp'ers in game spamming and harassing. How could you possibly think anything pvp related will make this better rather than worse? It is not a question of the mechanics, which are as good as anyone could ask for, it is about the attitude that pvp brings with it to a shard. If you do this, I don't doubt that some very good people would leave and that would be a shame. I really hope this does not happen.

and on the close minded part, thats kind of annoying to be called that to an open minded person.. this idea is great BUT i quit pvp years ago, an even now, ..... whatever

oh please colibri, put pvp in! im all for it now!

[Undertaker]

WE WANT PVP *stomps ground* WE WANT PVP *stomps ground* WE WANT PVP *stomps ground* WE WANT PVP *stomps ground* WE WANT PVP *stomps ground* WE WANT PVP *stomps ground* =]

[Craig]

Jill, June, and I have a good time in the pvp dung the other night. is that what you are talking about? Chance oh and chroma was there too... I think..

[Chroma]

i was there. Punchin babies. - Dane cook

[Llexa]

Well I was going to quote so many things and just gave up, hah. so im just going to mention and respond to a couple things.

about being close minded and just testing it for a week:

alot can happen in a week, heck a lot can happen in 24 hours that can cause huge repercussions. the cons outway the pros here, and its not a close minded thing, its a reality thing. i've seen what pvp brings out in people, and it doesn't matter who you are, if you are into pvp, its gonna come out in your too, period. whether its right away or not. ive seen some great players end their shard career with pvp and doing something wrong and being banned. players that were around for a year and another for 8 months, good players, but pvp brought out the worst and destroyed them. no one is immune to the junk that pvp can brings, period.

someone said the pvp dungeon was small and i almost laughed outloud b/c it's huge!

keeping reds/pvp'ers from talking in global chat doesnt solve anything. things that are forced to happen in secret are just as bad if not worse. PMs can spread like fire in a matter of minutes, and its not publicized, so the planning can take even nastier turns since you dont have the whole shard seeing what youre writing.

dueling to me seems like a more sportsmanship style of playing, if you really just want to test some skills and play a "game".
no ganking
no trash talk b/c it's 1 duel at a time, so you have total choice in EACH session

yeah sure, you might trust one of the people you pvp with, but what happens when other people you dont trust join in or stalk you and don't do it in a sportsmanship style. you cant do ANYTHING about it b/c "its pvp man, i can come at you anytime in fel and there's no such thing as 'wait i wasn't ready yet'".

dueling, it only happens when you want it, you choose when you are ready.

I really don't mind dueling, but i rather have nothing change then to have pvp.

[ericwdraven]

Personally I dont have much experience in PVP but still would like the chance to be. I know alot of people are against it and thats there right to be or not to be. And yes playing on the OSI shards for many years things did get quite uncomfortable at times. You couldnt go to fel without having to wonder if you were going to get ganked, but the fact is that you wont have to with Coli's plan. Either your going to be a red or not and ytou wont be able to kill blue's so I really dont see the harm in it. Llexa I really do respect your oppinion and your one of the model players. I very good citizen of EX, but when you say that things could get planned it would only get planned against other reds so if your not a PK you really dont have anything to worry about. Yes sometimes people can be a real jerk but PVP or not it still happens. We get people on this shard that dont care aboutthe rules and harrass people. Wouldnt matter if we were aloud to do PVP or not its still and always going to happen. That said let them have there fun. I may join in someday but I promise this just cause I would be going to the so called dark side doesnt mean that I would become a bad person. PVP or not people are going to be that way or not.

[fingers]

[quote="Craig"]Jill, June, and I have a good time in the pvp dung the other night. is that what you are talking about? Chance :P oh and chroma was there too... I think..[/quote]

Craig, tell me more about the good times. Did you tell people things like"Free candy in pvp dungeon" in general chat? Were you ganking 4v1 people that would drop in? Were you using pets and bio pets? Did one of you bragged that he mad 40K in insurance for the night? (please be aware that you can make 300k+ an hour while hunting certain monsters).

June, Jill, Craig, Chromo, to me you have been very annoying to me yesterday night. I have been pvping for 7 years on atlantic, have several thousands of murders including near 1500 on my Atlantic fingers (i posted a screenshot here) and decided to move on because of people who would act like you. I didn't go in the pvp dungeon yesterday. But in all my Uo pvp career, never did I used a pet to pvp, and I always did my stuff solo. Don't even think you were pvping yesterday.

I really really felt like tweaking some of my gear to pvp, make a couple of new macros more effective in pvp and challenge any of you people to duel no pets, or even that my one person guid go orange in a different faction then yours, and be free ball everytime we meet, but that would make me fall exactly where I walked away from. Pvping with people that thinks a 4v1 and all kill macro makes them all tuff.

[Craig]

I never used a pet, I also never saw anyone say they made 40k. All I really did was stand there. Here is my point, why do we even have the dung?

I also remember it happening a lot back when i used to play in uor. I made most of my friends from being ganked. :/ Its not like we took all there stuff....

[fingers]

I was told there was a bio imp in there. Kind of a politician answer to me, if you three guildmates had pets, i can see that you didnt need to take one out. Sounds like:"I did not had sex with Monica Lewinski"

Anyway, you wont gank me there and I wont be your friend. Chormo braged about the 40k insurance.

[Vix]

You know, I honestly didn't care one way or the other if there was pvp the way it was described. Not my thing and I wouldn't have used it but I didn't care if others did. But since all I've been seeing in chat and on the forum is arguments about it, I've gotten sick to death of the topic. So I've voted no and ask that the pvp dungeon be removed as well. And ban all mention of pvp (I know that's wishful thinking but it's how I feel right now).

Vix

[Craig]

I was told there was a bio imp in there. Kind of a politician answer to me, if you three guildmates had pets, i can see that you didnt need to take one out. Sounds like:"I did not had sex with Monica Lewinski"

Anyway, you wont gank me there and I wont be your friend. Chormo braged about the 40k insurance.

Um, okay. I had no guild mates there as well. Try checking your sources. And you don't even know me, but thanks for making it clear that no one on this server can take a joke or can relax/cut loose. This is just a game right? Or did I miss a memo?

[Chance]

Ok from just about every single nay-sayer the only arguments that you have been going on is you came here cause you didn't want to pvp and right from the very beginning any one who has been for pvp has already said if you do not like it then you don't have to participate. Here it is direct from Colibri first page.....


"3. A red player could attack and could be attacked by, only, another red player. Meaning that if you don't want to do anything with PvP, simply don't go to that shrine, and you're all set."

Next argument we don't like the people pvp brings it brings out the worst in people......

Yes it is true pvp is the dark side of all mortals and once they pvp they are forever taint always hungering always fighting and pwnzerz and 1337 speakin and my grandmother could kill you with her magic arrow! Ok, small mini rant, but you get the scope of it. Now that all being said you are basically trying to say that all pvpers are jerks. There is always going to be people you don't like any more than you can throw them. Probably already are.... but that does not mean that every single person in pvp is bad nor does it mean that it is going to cause mass anarchy and that every one is going to fight. So while every one is up in arms about Jill saying people are being closed minded in truth yes both sides are being closed minded about this. That is why I think a trial period would be best. It would give those who want it a chance to prove that not all pvpers are jerks, but if things went bad it would stop and nay sayers would get their way. There would be no more pvp with the exception of the pvp dungeon. Now if some one on the other side can reasonably argue that, that is not a fair way to test it or if some one else has another suggestion I will do my best to hear there side and their thoughts.

[Kile Morgan]

When this was first suggested I said I hadn't decided, that I wouldn't be against it being given a trial. I said I was concerned that it might have some negative effects such as people finding ways to abuse it or through their behavior ruin the game for others. That very night some people who were pushing for this turned around and went into the pvp dungeon and behaved in exactly the same manor that one I was concerned about and two they were claiming was "SPECULATION". It wasn't pvp it was pk, then to bring up a discussion of it in chat and then belittle anyone who didn't agree with their point of view, to do that and then tell someone who brought up their behavior was making the other side's point to "DROP IT". To use the usual statements to put other players down for getting killed then no matter what they said or how it was taken to then say "it was all in fun". Then yesterday when they again started it up all over again first about "stoking the fires" in the forums and how they loved it. I was all for letting this be tried, giving more players other ways to enjoy the game, but that isn't what is happening. It isn't about as they claimed"people being scared" in my case it's being tired of that sort of behavior. My vote is no.

[malwhynn]

Hi folks,

I am one of the 'nay sayers' that chance mentions in his most recent post. Unfortunately he did not read my post closely or I was somehow less than clear in my reasoning against pvp. In the simplest terms, I do not want to be on a shard with PvP'ers. My ignore list is becoming huge, as I am adding anyone talking about this in general chat. So already these "special" people are ruining this shard for me. I believe that no matter how this turns out, some people will be mad and some will leave...I hope it's the pvp crowd leaving. I don't think I can say it simplier than that.

[Llexa]

"3. A red player could attack and could be attacked by, only, another red player. Meaning that if you don't want to do anything with PvP, simply don't go to that shrine, and you're all set."

Ok so, maybe i didn't make this part clear: my argument doesnt have much to do with the blue players being hurt or being involved with pvp, my argument is what happens between reds/pvp'ers themselves. bad blood, bad attitude, lack of sportsmanship, ganking, rez killing, sending pets into a gate/parking pets at a gate to attack anyone, ego tripping, etc. Like i said before, you may have some friends you trust who you pvp with, but you cant limit your environment to only those you trust. and repeating myself again but, no such thing as "hey that's not fair" or "i wasnt ready yet" and then the gloves come off and everyone pm's each other and staff about "but but but he pvp'ed me with spellllllz!" its such an annoyance to everyone, and becomes a big soap opera.

ALSO, seems like people just skimmed over my awesome dueling idea. seems to me if people dont like that idea, then they want pvp for the wrong reasons anyway, b/c its like pvp, but considerate b/c you decide EACH fight and it's always 1 on 1. So ganking goes out the window, surprise attacks go out the window, rez kills go out the window and it really becomes more of a fun encounter then an ego trip.


Next argument we don't like the people pvp brings it brings out the worst in people......

Now that all being said you are basically trying to say that all pvpers are jerks.

I'm not saying every person starts out that way, some do, some dont but 99% end up that way from pvp (from my experience/knowledge/first hand info). even one small instants of this is, when you pvp, you are looking out for yourself ONLY, all the time, b/c that's what PvP brings out.. 'knock one down to get one step farther' or 'take theirs b/c they would take yours if they had the chance.' Its very 'me me me' centered, and on shards like Excelsior it is more promoted that we are looking out for our neighbors, not just ourselves. so i think its a direct contradiction of what Excelsior actually stands for.

And yes, i know, now is when everyone says "well it's a different side of things" and thats very true, but i dont think we will thrive as a shard having contradictory moral. pretty soon after implementing PvP we could be seeing more 'me me me' in the blue world from crossovers. example: champ as a group, but one person takes all the gold. pfft he says, b/c there is no direct rule on gold splitting, it's just one of those 'unwritten kindness/selfless/fairness' rules. or like, we could see people out taming creatures for bods, and someone just comes up in between attempts and starts interferring with the tame, or kills it.. no direct rule about that, it's another unwritten thing that people just KNOW here, b/c its Excelsior. So what? now all the staff have to make a legal size reference book of rules b/c of this contradictory behavior and crossovers? so not fair to them or us to have to bring it to their attention.

And this could ALL happen in less then a week.. i think the griping about specifications will happen immediately, heh.

Now all this being said, i REALLY enjoy dueling, it's a lot of fun and Licos and I were doing some last night. It can really help to work on your skill and your tactics and it's totally fun, when its not about just killing the other person or overpowering someone with your friends.

What about the staff???
for a min lets just think about it, im sure by colibri's post that they already get a lot of pm's and pages that are just silly. imagine their lives if PvP is around and all the pages about "*whine* it wasnt fair". "i was trying to turn blue and was PvPed on my way there", "i was at a champ spawn and these guys started pvping right in the middle of my champ".......................................... omg, annoying just pretending about it.

Finally, im not saying ANY specific people WANT pvp to cause chaos and annoyance and destruction and headaches, just saying it's inevitable. I've seen it happen to "perfect shards" I've played on. there is so much work before you can even introduce pvp anyways.. all the volumes of rules you have to write up...... ugh i wouldnt wish it on anyone, heh.

love,
Llexa