Yumis: Arties vs Crafted - Really?

[tenetn]

So recently I bought a Horselord for 150K... which I thought was a fair price at the time.

However, I was curious to see how the Horselord, and Hanzo, stack up against crafted bows. One reason being, that the consensus seems to be that leveling a Horselord or Hanzo is far superior to a crafted bow. The other being, that they command a much higher price on the market.

Taking a look on the vendors, crafted platinum yumis go for around 10K. So here is what I did... I crafted 20 platinum yumis using platinum runic tools. I then created a spreadsheet that assigns a value for mods based on what I thought was fair.

Obviously, we could debate valuation methods, however the scheme I came up with puts the average crafted yumi at the 8-10K range, which is consistent with the going rate. Here is the breakdown:

Exceptional: 1000gp
Minor Slayer: 500gp
Major Slayer: 5000gp
Resists: 10gp per point
DI/DCI: 50 gp per point
FC/FCR: 500 gp per point
Hit-Spell: 20 gp per point
Area Attack: 20gp per point
HLA/HLD: 50gp per point
Leech: 100gp per point
Spell Channeling: 2500gp
Luck: 20gp per point
SSI: 100gp per point
Self Repair: 500gp per point
Regen: 1000gp per point
Stat: 1000gp per point
Durability: 10gp per point

Using this pricing method, the Hanzo is valued at 10550gp and the Horselord at 18550gp. I didn't add anything for the ninjitsu bonus on the Hanzo, so one could argue a few extra thousand gp there if they wanted.

Even still it would seem that the arties are considerably overvalued and/or crafted yumis undervalued. Just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.

[Calan Caitin]

You have to keep in mind that crafted bows only get 3 pts per level whereas the hanzo's and horselord will get 5 per level. Really the key to it all is to find a weapon that fits the rest of your suit the best. I stay in vamp embrace all the time for life leech, so I don't need as much on a weapon. Some people don't mind casting divine fury to replenish stamina, so don't need the stamina leech. It's hard for anybody to say THIS is the best weapon to level because of all the variables available within gear to consider.

[Brotherwolf]

Absolutely Calan. There are so many gear options as well spell options. I do admire the crafted Bows and do it myself here and there but currently lvling a Juka and the much underrated Dryad bow which even without a lvl deed is quite impressive. Iknow alot will argue but I prefer lvling the artie bows as I like getting 5 pts per lvl vrs 3 but thats just me.

Wolf

[fingers]

As calan stated and as I already mentionned on an other thread, the choices you make regarding what attribute you will give to your weapon with the xp points mainly depends on the rest of your armor.

Personally I am a big fan of mana leech, lower defence, lower attack for a melee weapon. I dont need to add damage increase, hit chance increase, defence chance increase, SSI, lower mana cost, mana, intelligence, resists because the attributes of my suit already bring me to the cap, except for mana, but i never run out of that.

Also, when you have easy access to Ed's, you dont need to add luck, spell chanelling or self repair, because you can buy thoses on the ed stone.

Now lets compare the crafted Yumi i have to the Hanzo

My bow came with:

48 mana leech= 144 sp
44 lower attack= 132 sp
48 lower defence= 144 sp
48 fireball= 144 sp
46 stamina leech = 168 sp
35 damage increase= not usefull

All of thoses mods are important or usefull for me, except for the damage increase, that i dont need.

Now lets compare with Hanzo:

45 life leech: 135 sp
self reapir 3: not necessary (self repair 5 for 50 eds on stone)
Damage increase: 50%: not usefell

Now, to compare the advantage of having 500 sp over my crafted bow. I can use 297 sp on my bow, if we substract it from 495, we can see that Hanzo has 198 more sp to spend in an attempt to get at par with my bow: Wont happen.

Horselord is a nice double super slayer that is awsome against elemantal and reptiles. But the mods, ewww!

Dex 5: 20 sp
MR1: 6 sp
125 luck (can be bought on Ed stone without using sp)
50 DI: I dont need it


Because its not very hard to get tokens, I would say that a leveled horselord is ok to have in your pack as a second weapon for when you fight dragons or elementals.

[Hanarg]

The thing that you and I both have is some other re-layered items so we don't need DI and LL that some people just starting out do need to survive. From an end game standpoint, yes a lot of crafted items are better if you get just the right item versus an artifact, or even hopefully get a 3+x58% weapon with the abilities you want. Also some people don't have the money to donate for the SR5 etc. So those weapons are good "starter" weapons.

That was kinda the point I was trying to make in my other posts, "what weapon I should level" and "how should I spend my points". Take a look at those and maybe it will help you understand what fingers is saying.

[azure]

Hanzo bow usually sell on vendors for 15 to 30k. 150k WAY over priced. I crafted my bow, I am at level 94. I am mostly happy with it

[azure]

HEHE. You said horselords....so please disreguard what I said about hanzos

[tenetn]

Well of course it all depends on what you are looking for and the rest of your kit. Even still if you figure that a crafted bow gets 200sp less points for mods over the course of 100 levels it makes a lot more sense to start with a crafted bow that has 200sp worth of mods you want already on it.

Again, not whining or complaining about the prices. They are what they are. Just kind of observing that there seems to be a strong anti-crafted sentiment in the markets. It is as if most people assume crafted=junk when you can actually craft bows that blow the Horselord out of the water.

[tenetn]

Also am interested to hear what mods people find most valuable on a bow.

Hanarg & fingers... care to share what you've got for a kit right now?

[fingers]

Also am interested to hear what mods people find most valuable on a bow.

Hanarg & fingers... care to share what you've got for a kit right now?

*opens uo client and paperdoll*

Ok, well i have tree peices that are relayered. It might seem alot, but i have been playing the shard for 2+years, so a little bit at the time, i buy the eds to make a relayer. So here are my peices with some of the mods i consider important.

Relayered shirt (leveled butchers resolve): 35 SSI, 75 DI, 12 DCI, 8 Dex, 8 Str
Relayered skirt (ultimate spellbook): 3/2 Fcr/fc, 100 lrc and mana stuff
Relayered quiver (ultimate quiver): 30 HCI, 30 DCI, 10 DI, 20 SSI , 8 Dex, 8 Str, 15 phys refl
Spirit of the totem: +20 STR, 15 hci, 15 phys refl
Jackals collar: +15 dex
Gloves of the pugilist: 8 Dex, 15 DI
Shaman sleeves: 12 HPI
Tyric's silly vest (sash slot): 5 HPI, 10 Int, 5 phys refl
+Legacy of the archmagi: 2/2 Fcr/Fc, 12 HPI
Crimson cincture: 10 hpi, 5 str
+Lalakunos swimsuit: 10 hpi, 15 dci
apprentice stockings: 2/1 Fcr/fc, 10 hpi, 10 DCI
Royal hive Robe: 10 Str
Jewels: mostly 8-10 dex-str

Anyway, with the bow equipped, it gives me 306 hit point, 220 dex and 175 mana

High dex and 55 SSI insures me to swing anything at max.
220 dex lets me apply bandages pretty quick
306 Hpi lets me survive alot of stuf (i once got my daughter to ask me something and i went in the kitchen and forgot to hide. A Balron spawned while I was away, to my surprise, when i cam back, he was dead and i had like 20% of life left).

Then the bow with lower attack, lower defence, mana leech, stamina leech and fireball. That is pretty much my setup. Works ok for me. I am not bragging in no way as I know a few suits with mods way over mine.

Hope this helped.