A Price list for the shard

[amadman]

but his prices are wrong.. lol

Then maybe you should share you knowledge so the prices can be more accurate.

[KnitePrince]

but his prices are wrong.. lol

Well, thats not good then lol.. just post a corrrection where the price should be.. and no offence, but you are a very manly Jill

[Jillmuffit]

well the thing is there isnt an exact number of where prices should be but i know for certain that those powerscroll prices arn't the norm.. and i dont want to correct the list.. i just don't think there should be one. because now if u go above or below people are gonna get upset.. and who made dark an authority on prices? Ive tried to be several times and failed to be one myself lol. Just learn what the prices are and ask your friends and guildmates whats fair. i wouldn't pay over 10k for any 110 powerscroll.

[KnitePrince]

right, agree there.. thing is, prices are gonna fluctuate a LOT no matter what is posted. I loaned a new guy 250K today, and he bought a 120 mining PS....., 5 min later i loaned him another 250k and he bought a 120 BS powerscroll... I payed nearly a mil each for those.. Doesnt bother me a bit, actually I am happy for the guy that he found such a good deal, and would shake the persons hand that priced them there if I knew it wasnt a mistake. Perhaps, if that guy had read this list of wrong prices?? he might have come closer to what was correct?
If I didnt care about what everyone else thought, a LOT of my prices would be different, and most would be a lot lower.. so despite the fact that they are wrong, they are a LOT closer to right than what i would charge if left to my own decisions, and obviously Others are having this problem as well.. this is why I support this post, and would again ask you to help correct it

Will i get my money back from that loan? I dont know, but, the best way to find out if someone would be your friend or not, is to help them, if they stand by their word, you have a good friend that is thankfull for your help, if they burn you? you know not to deal with them again and have lost some interent gold.

[Jillmuffit]

thats the thing though... as much as i HATE saying this FINGERS WAS RIGHT. if someone buys it.. then its the right price

[Rune]

maybe jill ..but the *right* price varies from discount-fair price- rip off

[Jillmuffit]

sure does =] maybe set the list up like that lol ina grid

[Striker]

i respect the desire to have an idea what to charge for stuff , but bottom line is that someone wants to make 10k for an item, that it's that person's choice. if someone thinks they can resale it for more and choooses to buy it for resale, then they are taking the risk of sitting on an item that doesnt sell.

[Orbit Storm]

Frankly.. there's pros and cons to the whole idea.

Firstly, after looking over the pricing, most of the things listed are dramatically incorrect. For instance, the 120 PS's are indeed salty, but the problem is, I've seen a lot of them being sold for well under a mill, and the same ones he has listed for close to a mill.

Another one for you, would be organics. Now, being that I've only been here for roughly 2 weeks, I've come to find that organics go for a dead set price of 150g. Every now and again someone is willing to pay a little higher, but only because most of the time the organics being sold are being sold by new players. And sometimes a decent soul out there is willing to pay a tad bit higher so that they can help out that new players.

After looking over this list.. All I can do is scoff. No offense really. Basically the pricing on this list only ensures that new players have to work twice as hard as the Vets did when they were new to obtain items. And the only items that are obtainable by new players, the pricing has been hijacked and dropped way beyond its normal going rate.

Essentially, all this list is going to serve to do, (regardless of whether he is asking for it to be a static price or not), is going to make the disparity between new players and Vets even larger. I understand from a Vets point of few that you want to feel significantly more.. "distinguished" amongst the server. But here's the thing, is forcing new players to have to work for 2 weeks in order to buy one thing, the way to go?

No.. all you will do is force people off this server and limit the chances of new players.

I vote a strong no for this list, tangible or not.

[labmonkey]

sorry Orbit, but this list (and post for that matter) is very old, shard wise. Prices here change pretty fast. At the time of the original post I'm sure the pricing was correct for the 120 powerscrolls. Now good luck finding one that sales for over a mil. And Just a month before you joined the price of organics was a flat 100gp per. Price was raised due to a change in the way new players could acquire them in the new player dungeon. Be happy with the 150gp per. Many of us were trying to raise it to 200gp per. And there is nothing here to stop a new player from getting the good items within their first two weeks. If anything it is becoming easier for new players as the older players are acquiring more wealth. Oh, and you must remember that it was much, much harder for the vets when they started because there was not as many older players to help them get started. If you dont believe me, just go ask for some help with something or help getting a nice item. If its not an absurd request then chances are you will get the item for free. Players are extremely kind here and seem to love giving young players stuff. Not to mention that most players here are long time UO vets (myself included) with 10+ years, many even participated in the alpha and beta testing. I've only been here a little over 2 months and now you would have a hard time telling my char apart from a vet. But, back to the topic of this very old post, Striker is right, people will only pay what they want to pay. If you can afford to sit on some items, then by all means charge more. If you havent noticed by now, this is not just a normal shard. There is an actual vision here, and it is more of a small scale simulation of a working community if anything. [end ramble

[+Colibri]

Well there's no such thing as a "correct" price... we could say that the price is "good", but that's a pretty biased thing hehe. It's good for the seller if it's high, and it's good for the buyer if it's low. And vice versa if the price is "bad".

If someone wants to sell a 5 use gravedigger shover for 1 mil, that's fine with me.
But it's up to each player whether they will take the time and browse other stores if they can get a better offer.

Here it's a pretty medieval world, and the market conditions are pretty much medieval as well. For example now that the ED market is big enough, the price seem to have settled around 30-35k, but about 2 years ago when there were far fewer players, one ED could go for anything between 10k and 60k.

As for newbies having it hard here, well that's a shard-old dilemma of newbies vs. veterans. The newbies say it's hard to get anywhere with these conditions, and the veterans complain that the newbies have it too easy. It's like in the real world too, with rich vs. poor.

Don't forget this is a game, it's men't to be played and enjoyed during the process of the game itself... it's not bad being a newbie, in fact I would enjoy being a regular player with a few skills at GM and slaying a few orcs and ettins for my daily income.
It seems to me that many players just strive to be able to solo melee that hardest monster on the shard, to have the best gear, etc... although that is the ultimate goal, it's still really fun to just enjoy the current level you're at and do what you are currently able to.

[Orbit Storm]

Didn't notice the date of the original, considering I wasn't the first one to reply to this one recently

And you're correct, obviously, in the fact that pricing does change, and rather frequently. Thus why I can relate to why the OP feels his idea is beneficial.

As far as a new player obtaining "good" items, that's kind of an iffy statement. People like myself tend to be on more late at night, and most of the people who are on during my hours, are either new like me, or.. well kept to themselves.

Not to sound rude or judgmental, but you can notice an extreme difference between player groups. You can see the disparity like night and day, literally. Most times, people who are on during the day, are the people who would bend over backwards to lend a hand, meanwhile those on at night (despite the 50+ online count) virtually ignore you. (No offense to any night owls such as myself )

So to say that every new player has the same chance as the next, is simply unfair. This is deemed a family shard and a lot of people here have family playing here, which makes it even easier. I'm not complaining about not having things handed to me, God knows, I love a challenge. But what I'm trying to point out is, is that your post what mostly centered around the belief that it's "easy" as a new player, at least more so than it was when you first started.

I too have spent over 10 years in the UO community as well, in fact, I've been playing since '98. To top it off, I've had over 5 years of player run server experience, in terms of staffing and managing 2 of my own. So I get what you're saying. But I also know, that when I'm first starting a shard, I tend to make it a bit easier in order to keep people around. So maaaaybe, there's the off chance it's harder now than it was when Excelsior opened. That's only for someone like +Coli to answer..

And I wholeheartedly agree with Striker. No one should dictate pricing. If someone wants to sell something that averages 500k for 1 mill, let them. It won't sell and they'll eventually drop the price. That's what makes "marketing" fun in the game. You have to be able to barter.

And on a final note in regards to Colibri's post; I agree with you. I eventually intend to be one of those people who can go out and destroy a peerless in a matter of a few hits, but that's far off. I enjoy setting a new goal each day I log on, and striving to reach it, even if I don't. However, your remark about the age old cliche of "rich vs. poor" is right. It's not impossible to make it with the "conditions" that are set, it's just certain things (such as a set price) would be absurd to think of. I especially love being able to find a full spellbook for 12k at one vendor, 9k at another, and then runing to Chyna's shop to see them marked for 3 and 4k.

[Fiacha]

I especially love being able to find a full spellbook for 12k at one vendor, 9k at another, and then runing to Chyna's shop to see them marked for 3 and 4k.

Don't mean to cut your post short or anything I just wanted to say that Chyna is the best and if I ever tour a new player around I gate them to her shop and usually give them a rune book with a rune to it as well .

That being said prices do change a lot. I watch them change since I play during the day and night ( when do I sleep? pfft sleep! ). Ointments went up in price because someone wanted them badly enough they might go up again if someone wanted them so much they'd pay more. Just like if someone had a few hundred collected and wanted to move them quickly theyd lower the price. I've done this with things like Mobile forges, hive items, lowered them below market value and seen them FLY off my vendor. I feel if I made enough of these items and sold for less I could probably change the market value. Then if I quit playing or went on a vacay the market value could sky rocket. I'm only saying this for special crafted items things that can be obtained by more people prob wouldnt have the same effect.

If you recall how bad ash depot had the lowest prices in materials but when he went away for a while the prices of wood did fluctuate and raise a little, but most people kept it stable. Sometimes supply is important other times its demand. A high supply does not mean low prices if there is a very high demand that people compete for, and vice versa.Demand seems to be more potent than supply here. I know the typical supply and demand usually changes in relation to one another but UO is not typical ^_^.

[Kaiana]

*moved to new post here*

[Lyandrin]

Ornament Of The Magician 850,000 gp
Jackal's Collar 600,000 gp

ornament of the magi- should be higher in my opnion, One of the only items in game that has 2FC, other then the archmagi...

jackal's collar- is COMPLETELY wrong.... the ONLY reason an i mean only reason it went up THAT high (for those who remember Lyandrin) is becuz she wanted it Reeally bad an was willing to pay 2Million Gold for it (never knew what he wanted it so bad) and all the sudden everyone caught on that jackals collar was SOOO amazing, no its not, 10 dex? LIKE O M G thats gonna raise me up to... 135!!!

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hahahaha

I still remember that dont you mock my Jackals Collar UT!!
i love that neck and yes i know its not uber, but it fit perfectly in my weirdass playstyle