Stealth Question

[bmohr225]

I know I keep posting new threads, but I'm new and I don't see where else I can ask the questions that I need to know about.

Anywhoo... I played on OSI a long time ago, when it was just Fel and Tram. I've dabbled in some freeshards in the past, but not these types, if you get my drift. On all the other shards to train stealth, you just macro the skill. No hiding first or anything like that. When I try that here, it says I must hide first. Okay, good. So I hide, then try it again. Over and over and over. No skill gain, fail at stealth. How does this work here?

[Kimitsu]

i beleive you must at least GM hiding before getting any good with stealth here. and walking in stealth supposed to be good for gains, or so i thought

[fingers]

80 hiding to start using stealth

[The Doctor]

trick to stealth gains here is do it at brit bank with various armors go to http://www.uouguide.com for what to wear at what level and you dont have to move you can use uo script and go watch tv and check it every few minutes... hope this helps

[Pocketcow]

I wore a leather gorget to get to 80.0(it wouldn't go higher) After that, I threw on some leather gloves, plate legs, plate arms, and a bandanna and it's now on it's way to GM.

[bmohr225]

Thank you all for your help, the UO Guide really helped!

[Celestine]

This is something I've never seen before. Tailoring a 6 piece suit of leather (not studded leather) using spined leather, at 90 stealth, my armor is too heavy to stealth in. This is what's considered a basic mage/stealth outfit, anywhere I've gone. All the info I've read in the forums and wiki (including this thread and the http://www.uoguide.com/Stealth link) seems to indicate the same thing. Surprisingly, when I switch out some of the basic leather pieces with two pieces of studded leather and a norse helm, I can stealth again.

With more experimenting, I've discovered that this is not the case for regular leather, only for spined. I've never had the material make a difference and while many essays point out that studded armor is harder to stealth in than regular armor, I've never seen it mentioned that it needs to be made of regular leather. Is this meant?

[Kaiana]

Stealth is a bit of an oddity here. I've noticed something over my time using it.

It seems that there is some value (maybe it's durability?) which seems to affect the ability to stealth. What I mean is, I have a full suit of mage armor platemail, and I used to be able to simply take off my shield and I could stealth just fine. Then a few weeks ago I had to do some repairs and repaired all my armor, and then after that when I tried to take off my shield and stealth it said I was wearing too much armor. Then I took off the breastplate, still too heavy. Then I took off the gorget, and I could finally stealth again. So I'm thinking maybe how much durability the item has affects whether you can stealth in it? Either that or there's something odd going on with stealth.

But yes, in essence to gain stealth on this server you just hide and then walk back and forth. I've heard it works better when you're out at sea, but I think that's a myth. I just made an EasyUO script to do it for me and left it running one night, and now I'm capped.

[krumhur]

I agree with Kaiana (with stealth being odd, not just here ): for a bit after i reached 120 tactics (130 with essences) i could stealth with my shield equipped (100 stealth here). Cant remember if it lasted a couple days or just hours.

I found it pretty odd, i thought shields were offlimits for stealthers, given my past experience (i capped stealth to 100 as one of the first skills). It fixed itself, or was fixed, shortly after and hasnt worked since (i know it sounds like a myth, but it was odd indeed to see, and not a big thing to exploit anyway)

[Celestine]

The shield thing never occurred to me since I think I've often held a shield while stealthing. And base code seems to show (although it's hard for me to tell since I don't read code) that a shield doesn't interfere with stealthing. However, it also seems to show that plain leather equipment made of spined leather should not interfere with stealthing although studded leather, of any type of leather, should. This isn't true here though.

If Kaiana is right and your equipment may need to be in poor repair to stealth, I think we should know that. If the code has been rewritten so that the usual types of armor may not be stealthable but different types may, I think we should know that.

If I know that shields prevent my stealthing, I'm okay with taking the shield off. However, if I need to remove my mage armor to be able to stealth and I can keep my shield on, there seems to be something wrong. The reason I spent the money on my arm equipment is that mage armor is considered stealthable. Why does such an important skill apparently depend on trial and error?

[krumhur]

you shouldnt be able to stealth with shields without the Mage Armor bonus, while sometimes it allows you to do so.

Also, even at 100 stealth and with full medable armor (aka Mage Armor equip or full leather-like) it still fails at checks. I thought 100 was enough to stealth safe with leather, and 100+ needed for heavier armor, isnt that so?

[FreddaFlatulent]

WOW...did I ever do it wrong!! I just went from 40ish stealth to 120 while wearing a "junk" LRC set of armor. I never removed any pieces, or paid attention to the types. I started my macro of "hide, walk, repeat" Since you gain on fails as well as sucessful attempts, I thought the armor type would not matter hear. (it didnt for me)

Upon looking, my suit was everything from bone and plate to leather. I did have GM+ hiding and trained it in Zento Mall for those of you who had fun casting reveal on me while I walked 3 steps east then 3 steps west for hours

[azure]

I never walked a step while training stealth... But did Have to put on one piece of plate armor at some point.

[Celestine]

I thought 100 was enough to stealth safe with leather, and 100+ needed for heavier armor, isnt that so?

Traditionally, that should be so. Plain leather or medable should be 100%, no fail. If a few pieces of heavier armor were added in, it should still be reasonably close to no-fail. Because of this, it seems that the code has been changed from stock and I'm just wondering what the new rules are.