Hunting Ethics

[Cygnus]

Sad to say I must have to bring this up again. Please, we all need to share this shard and the limited quality hunting grounds but if you arrive at one of these sites and it is already occupied, please check with whomever is there to see if it is okay to share the grounds. Don't just assume they have been there all day and it is now your turn. Just common decency would suggest you at least greet whomever is there and ask how the hunting is going or how they are. I would bet most of us here do not live in a dog-eat-dog world and have no problem sharing kills as long as they know it would be shared in return. I had stopped hunting the Twisted Weald a long time ago due to the very fact that players would just come on in and take over the area like you were invisible. I decided I needed to replace my reagents and I knew that was a good place to do it while making gold so I went last night and right on cue, within 5 minutes someone came in and jumped on Lady Sabrix right in front of me while I was waiting. Amazing! Not even a hello or can I? When players act like that, you know that talking to them about it never gets anywhere (been there, done that), so, off I go to find another spot. You know what happens when you show some decency? You may get rewarded! I met a lady warrior later at the Citadel and she showed common courtesy. For her display of manners I gave up my hunting spot and gave her all the keys I had accrued to that point. I am at my point on this shard where I am in more of a philanthropist than anything else and Mr.Butt-in may have received the same response from me if he showed a spark of decency but he didn't. He got the hunting ground for his actions but he could have gotten a whole lot more. After all, I just needed regs, not gold or keys, I have plenty of both. We should all play with respect for our fellow shardsmen, its just the decent thing to do.

Now that I ranted, i feel better and in a better mood. At least, until I run into another Mr. butt-in.

[KnitePrince]

I feel your pain. There are many places i no longer hunt. Fun places I once enjoyed, because of the total disrespect i recieved while in those places. I do not really understand why someone would act in that manner... it is really beyond my comprehension... if they were raised that way, then they shoul;d have had their butts tanned a lot more often.. as it is, I gave up a long time ago, trying to enjoy myself at those locations... while I did meet a select few good people, the VAST majority of those that came running in just started killing everything in sight, even if i was already engaged... The battle to teach respect and common decency, should have been fought, and taught, by these peoples parents long ago... It is only a game, and not worth the anger and frustration.. so i just walked away and never went back. I can only hope, that people like that eventually find the life, and luck, they are deserving of.

[azure]

It doesn't matter if you have been there all day or 5 minutes, rules are first person there gets the NEXT kill, then take turns after that. Just direct the people to the rules. LOL Other than that, it is really a lack of manners....

[KnitePrince]

It doesn't matter if you have been there all day or 5 minutes, rules are first person there gets the NEXT kill, then take turns after that. Just direct the people to the rules. LOL Other than that, it is really a lack of manners....

Yah right... as if the rules mattered. the rules are for those of us that pay attention to them, It is all well and good to tell someone they are breaking the rules. Until they either laugh at you or ignore you.. then what? call a GM? By the time your done dealing with all of it, it would have been easier not to hunt there in the first place... the perpetrator gets a slap on the top of the head and sent on his way, and you have spent your constructive time being angry and waiting for someone to answer a page... which may not be until the next day... like I said, easier to NOT hunt in those places at all.

EDIT;
Understand, i am not putting down the staff, they do great work, but they just can't be on all the time. They get one manerless moron dealt with, and there will be a dozen more to replace him.

[Tribecca]

The fact that alot of people are having to SHARE hunting spots only tells me that the TONS of other hunting spots, ie: caves, dungeons, open lands, etc. need to possibly be tweaked. I saw this on a different shard a while back where everyone was hunting in the same few spots and noone ever visited the dungeons.

I know that I would visit the dungeons more often if there was a slight chance (even like .01 chance) that a PS or Rare would drop on the monsters in the caves. Even a chance at a runic tool or something would make the dungeons more inviting to hunt in.

Possibly even something like an ongoing collection of items to turn into a chest somewhere and the reward would be something cool. And the only place to get said items would be in the dungeons from the random spawns in there.

[KnitePrince]

Signed. Good idea Becca.. good to see your still around

[Calan Caitin]

Any time a monster is made to drop a desirable rare and is the only monster that will drop it or maybe the easiest monster to get to or kill, it will create arguments and bottle necks. Take Lady Mel for instance. She can drop the imprisoned squirrel. Now Travesty drops the dogs and Effusion drops the ferrets, but both of them require "keys" to summon them. So Mel is camped so much more because all you have to do is stand there and wait for the respawn. I think it would lessen the effect if the squirrel was moved to another "summoned" creature, like Paroxysmus. Players rarely want to actually work for the loot. they want the easy/fast kill. The biggest bang for the buck.

[kenarn]

calan i totally agree with you but there is one problem with what you said. some players when they do the GoC that will be there first time 2 proxy. and i know alot of players that dont know the way even with UOAM. so if we did that there would be alot less imps. because people would rather wait in line at mel then wait in line at proxy/shimmering/ect. but i think you are right but a good idea 4 the gm's would 2 be set a shorter spawn time so that way everyone will get a chance when there are long lines. i barely even go 2 mel now because of the camping that goes on there. but thats the only place some people can find or kill at because eiher they r just getting started or they dont feel like it.

"only hades may control me"
"i am nothing but a vessil to the underworld"

[Calan Caitin]

but i think you are right but a good idea 4 the gm's would 2 be set a shorter spawn time so that way everyone will get a chance when there are long lines.

Making a faster timer on Mel would be the worse thing possible. Then people will be rewarded for camping it more than they are now. Which would make more people want to camp it. The slow spawn rate is the only thing that makes people move on as it is.

because people would rather wait in line at mel then wait in line at proxy/shimmering/ect.

That's my whole point and most of the reason people camp Mel over Travesty, Effy or Parox. Players are like water. They follow the easiest path available.

but thats the only place some people can find or kill at because eiher they r just getting started or they dont feel like it.

Lady Mel is a "Peerless Boss", perhaps it is just me, but I don't think it is right that she gets camped by week old characters because she gives good loot and is THAT easy to kill. As for the others that don't feel like it, well that just opens up the room for the others that do feel like doing the work for it.

[anarchy]

"I would bet most of us here do not live in a dog-eat-dog". well i'm korean and i eat dogs; so that pretty much puts me at the top of the food chain. RAWR.

but yeah it does stink waiting in line or doing something and someone comes along and ruins it. what does stink is the drop rates for some items, and thus creates the campers. maybe what they should do is: make it so lady mel DOES NOT drop imprisoned pets. you'll see a big drops in campers at that sight. i think mel is the one peerless who shouldn't drop imprisoned due to the fact that you don't need anything to summon her. FYI- lady mel on osi is a summon only peerless, and you needed to get a lot of items to be able to go into her lair. this is how i think it should go

travesty drop dogs
grizzle drops ethy mount
dreadhorn drops squirrels (do you know how hard it is to get an eye?)
shimmering drops ferrets
slaarion drops the portal map.
lady mel should drop elvens and reagents; plus magical items. (unless they change the summon rules.)

once people know that all the peerless who drops imprisoned are summon only you'll find grrr proly more campers. wait in line to summon the peerless no matter which peerless. people harvesting summon items and selling them or doing 20 runs. you know what would be cool with travesty? the guys with the keys respawns at different locations. now that would be cool, because you would have to go to the end and restart to find them.

what REALLY bugs me is asking people globally if someone is at lady mel, and waiting 10 mins for a reply. if no one replies i go there to find 4 campers (30 mins a respawn plus time it takes to kill lady mel. estimate 10 mins to kill; 40 mins per person you have to wait. times 4 campers is 160 mins over 2hrs 40 mins. till you have your turn. *yeah sometimes she pops up fast*)

maybe, have ALL peerless drop 40 elvens guaranteed, and slaarion drops the portal map; that way no matter what peerless you go to it'll be ok because your saving up to go to slaarion. who's not gonna share a portal map? everyone shares the portal map so no matter what place in line you are at your gonna go.

sorry this is so long.

[Calan Caitin]

travesty drop dogs
grizzle drops ethy mount
dreadhorn drops squirrels (do you know how hard it is to get an eye?)
shimmering drops ferrets
slaarion drops the portal map.
lady mel should drop elvens and reagents; plus magical items. (unless they change the summon rules.)

That is really a nicely thought out and evenly distributed break out. I like it!

[Nelapsi]

what REALLY bugs me is asking people globally if someone is at lady mel, and waiting 10 mins for a reply. if no one replies i go there to find 4 campers (30 mins a respawn plus time it takes to kill lady mel. estimate 10 mins to kill; 40 mins per person you have to wait. times 4 campers is 160 mins over 2hrs 40 mins. till you have your turn. *yeah sometimes she pops up fast*)

Not everyone has global turned on, I know mine stays off... I am only saying this because I can't count the number of times you showed up at Lady Mel and I was there already.

[anarchy]

yeah i know some people turn it off. ah well.

[All Mighty]

i have to say that i totaly think that the brake down that anarchy gave is real good but heres the one thing i think that +Colibris trying to do . if you noticed the spawn rates on them hasnt changed but the drop rates have. i know that i have gone to mell maybe 20 or so times and the only time i ever got an Imp was the first time i went. i have done both of the others atleast 10 times each and never got anything. the only time that i ever got the farits was from the portal map which if you have noticed mels elven note drop has changed as well i think +Colibris over all goal right now has been trying to get money out of the server and the Imp pets are the fastest way to make it so make them harder to get and that makes getting the money harder to make for some.

i know that this doesnt help with the camping or ppl just taking over somthing that you have been sitting at for hours i have been on both side of that but atleast im nice enough to ask to join or work my way around so as to get the other parts and when i get them all i sit there and wait my turn. i have had a few ppl who think that they can just run in because i have been there they think that its there turn and for the most part i dont care but every so often that is the most disrespectfull thing that i can think of and yes i have page a few times over it. sad thing is that the most times that it happens is like 3 AM Pac time which means that there is like no one on GM wise and so it sitts in the page box for hours and by the time anything happens most the time im long gone and forget that i had event paged about it. dont get me wrong when the GMs are on they get back to me real fast which is great but when they arnt on its kinda a pain.

i totaly think that there is one other thing that could be done with some of them. there is a whole new world that has nothing and yes i know that the coading is very long and would take a few weeks or somthign like that. but there are a lot of ppl here who could help with that out side of the GMs send it up the chain and get things moving, that im sure would do it for almost nothing jsut to get things going and relive the stress taht they have to deal with while waiting aswell. it could be as easy as puting a post up asking for coders jsut to get a hand put all of them together in the end and have +Colibri check all of it and put it all together it shouldnt be that hard . hard yes but done aswell 2 weeks worth of puting code together or months of only a few ppl coding. plus it would take some of the stress off the GMs who are dealing with all the little sharing problems that are happening.