Bedlam

[Sorgon]

Well I for one do not agree or disagree with removing the ability to recall in and out. But I agree very strongly with increasing the spawn rate at least of the cellar key. I sat there one day for over 9 hours for the key and it never dropped. as for Griz it really doesnt take that long to get to him with no recall. I am not sure how to get out of griz's area without recalling tho...that will take some figuring for me....

[+Rayne]

Well if the place was meant to be a no recall area, so be it! But honestly, I once killed Monsterous Grizzle more then 60 times to get a key. I completed the whole mage quest 8 times, verging on my 9th completion. I beleive the drop average for me has been 1/20. The drop rate should be higher, imo, especially because many Mondain Legacy recepîe requires Grizzled bones.

It is not suppose to be an easy drop rate. This is a time investing quest. It is intended to be a 'life journey'. Something that would take a moderate player 1-2 months to complete (one time). (Moderate being, 2-3 hours per day).

But what really surprises me is that the quest, all in all, is working. It is far from easy, and if administrators have any doubt about that, I suggest they create a regular character with no admin "god mode" and try to acheive it.

We have tested it and gone through it many times. We also recruited some players as test subjects when it was created. In short, it is set up exactly how I wanted it to be, as the creator. There is not one part of this quest that is unachievable.
As a side note, It is also set up to help players learn to use tactical approaches to fighting, instead of the common fighting methods.

There are sooooo many things that are really broken that would require attention:

- Bushido evasion not working
- Honor virtue not activated
- lightning arrow not working
- serpant arrow not working
- Butchers war cleaver not working as intended
- spell damage increase not working for druid and clerical spells
- acid rope recepie not working
- Slaarion droping a map that poofs away
- and the list could be going on for pages and pages...

Some of these things have nothing to do with the topic (Mages Inquisition). And those listed from the Mages Inquisition are not bugs (except the Acid Proof Rope might be and will be looked into). We will get to the others when we have time and deem whether they are bugs or not. We have our own lists and prioritized things that will be changed or fixed. But I do not believe that there are 'pages and pages' nor do I believe that is a fair statement, considering all that +Colibri has done with the RunUO platform- 'pages and pages' of upgrades/customs. Maybe one should go check out the 'basic' RunUO shards to appreciate the things that we have here at Excelsior.

But instead, time is invested on "fixes" that only have for effect to displease the few players having the ability and the patience of doing this quest. I beleive that on a shard living from donations, the staff should have a client satisfaction approach, not some:

The quest is optional, meaning that you do not have to go to Bedlam for the quest if you do not want to.

Wich sounds alot to me like: "if you don't agree with what I decide, too bad for you, just do something else, end of discussion".

1. Fixes will be done whether they are liked or not (standing where we do, we get to see the total picture). There are some things (not fixes, but additions) however that we decide to let players give their vote to.

2. Donations do not give any player a step above another, or a right to decide which fixes should be made and should not (and we will not treat one who donates any differently). For those who donate, (and Colibri appreciates the resources to pay for the internet, the software, the upgrades, etc) it has no relationship to, for lack of a better term "pleasing players". We offer great rewards for Donations (basically, you will receive an item or service for your help in paying the bills that have accumulated from this dedication). That is where the Donation argument comes to a halt. You are appreciated very much for donating and you are even rewarded for it, but that does not put you on 'the board of directors'. However we do have forums for players to offer script ideas or event concepts. We do read them, and we do consider them.

3. All quests/events are optional. If you deem them too hard, or they do not fit into your schedule, you do not have to participate. We have 'simple' quests available as well. It is all based on the level of dedication that one has to give to a quest or event.

Anyway, IF we are allowed to give our opinion, for my part, I say fine with no recalling, but please increase the drop rate.

Thank you for your opinion, however the drop rate will not be changed at this time, though I will review the drops rates as I check the areas for unauthorized changes.

+Rayne

[+Rayne]

Well I for one do not agree or disagree with removing the ability to recall in and out. But I agree very strongly with increasing the spawn rate at least of the cellar key. I sat there one day for over 9 hours for the key and it never dropped. as for Griz it really doesnt take that long to get to him with no recall. I am not sure how to get out of griz's area without recalling tho...that will take some figuring for me....

Hint: How did you get into the Scriptorium?

Also, here is one feature that can be given opinion on:

A different way to leave the Scriptorium. (I.e, a Gate, a 'hidden switch', a phrase)

Feel free to give your idea as well, and it will be considered.


+Rayne

[fingers]

Well for the Grizzled bones drop, I'll just say that I would pay several milions to see you kill him 60 times with no drops, left only with your eyes to cry!

As for my suggestions for fixes being out of topic, I would like to remind that the original poster named this tread Bedlam, and never mentionned the words mage inquisitors quest in his first post, but "breaking Bedlam". So for me, the subject was fixing things.

I never donated for Excelsior, though I do appreciate the shard, the staff and all it's members to a point that I would donate if I had the possibility to do it. And I see no wrong if donations are sufficient to pay for more than the server and the network, as admins do a wonderfull job. What I am saying though, I that under this model, i beleive a small business like excelsior should be attentive to its customer's base and avoid the "like it or not, this is how its going to be" attitude.

[A Black Death]

if you dont change the drop rates on ML items at least make the crypt key drop 100%, thus you would still have to earn a key like going to Doom guantlet requires a skull wich you gather bones.... but as for a exit any secretive exit or non walk up stairs and poof back the main level would work just maby make it 1in2 or 1in 3 chance of getting a crypt key to begin with, just my vote, so that people may procede thru the dungeon, its not like a peerless summoning key cuz the peerless you can just walk to so break the runes my vote make it highly likely to get access to crypt

[Tigerstorm]

The thing with players not being able to heal pets was an error on our end, it's been fixed. I hope you can understand but that device has many features, so it's easy to miss one setting.

I completely understand this point of view. When I heard that cound't heal pets, said to myself "Nope, don't go there, save money and buy the gem"

There's a lot of great custom stuff I admit, it's what made me stay here. Sure , like other people say they are still little fixes. But having tried myself 3-4 months ago to make my own shard with runUO, I saw it was a very daunting job...So I leave it to "pros".

Now that I know the mage in the cemetary near the crypt drops the key, i'll maybe go try to farm him also to make my own conclusion. I just hope that flesh eating drag don't see me, I hate his breath attack...

As for an idea on how to leave Grizzle's area ? Is a library with soooo many books we could have to check...How about one that once in a while we could have to click to get out ? Maybe even change it once in a while. And try to not make it show with ctrl+alt

[Harabakc]

I don't have an issue with the anything in Bedlam, except the crypt, that's it. Seriously though, it's been like this for 10+ months when I came back last spring you could recall in and out. And honestly I really don't think it matters if you can or not, the drop rates are so low that you can do all of the others faster then you can Bedlam even though it's by far the easiest. As previously stated I like things being difficult(but obviously not impossible) and out of all of the Peerless dungeons this is the one thing I take any issue with(assuming that the ice wyrm has a 100% drop which it damn well should based purely on difficulty).

I do not care if you cannot recall to/from Grizzle, it doesn't matter. You can walk to him in 30 seconds, it's a non-issue. Even with him having a ridiculous drop rate it's still not a problem. The way out of the grizzle area, while annoying(because you have to do it a dozen or 2 times to get it to work), also isn't a problem.

The crypt key is an entirely different situation, it has approximately the same drop rate as grizzle bones and jade amulets, which is down right nutty.

And the Slaarion map, it's working as intended, and works just fine.

Have all of the item decays finally been removed off all the Mage's Inquisition/peerless areas stuff except for the Slaarion map? I know I for one had at bare minimum 5 grizzle bones decay because of the old system. I'm just curious if anything else is left on that system.

As far as Excelsior being a small business, it's not. It cannot legally be one, and regardless of that, it isn't. When running private versions of MMOs people get themselves into trouble because they charge. A donation system is different and keeps you out of trouble. That's why people don't get special attention for donating, there's a fixed list of items that does get updated and changed slightly occasionally, but there's nothing there you can't do without or get without donating.

[+Rayne]

I completely understand this point of view. When I heard that cound't heal pets, said to myself "Nope, don't go there, save money and buy the gem"

This literally was in effect for 5 minutes, which I will also state. I was fixing the controller and in the midst, some players came into the crypt.

Have all of the item decays finally been removed off all the Mage's Inquisition/peerless areas stuff except for the Slaarion map? I know I for one had at bare minimum 5 grizzle bones decay because of the old system. I'm just curious if anything else is left on that system.

The Grizzled Bones were still meant to decay, however I have just went ahead and removed that option, so they will not decay now. I decided to up the drop rate ever so slightly as well.
As for the other items, I don't believe any others are set to decay, except for the obvious, like the Crypt Key and the Map. I will however be checking that information too when I go through each area to inspect the unauthorized changes.

I do not normally reveal drop rates, and I still wont...necessarily. However I will tell you that the key to the crypt is already on a very 'even' drop rate. It is not a rarity at all.

As for an idea on how to leave Grizzle's area ? Is a library with soooo many books we could have to check...How about one that once in a while we could have to click to get out ? Maybe even change it once in a while. And try to not make it show with ctrl+alt

All I can say is that great minds think alike. This was also my personal choice.

+Rayne

[+Colibri]

Well fingers,
The list does go on and on for pages and pages.

Well, make a shard and get 100 people on it and you'll see you won't be able to get much work done hehe.

[fingers]

Well fingers,
The list does go on and on for pages and pages.

Well, make a shard and get 100 people on it and you'll see you won't be able to get much work done hehe.

I am sorry if I left you under the impression that you don't do a wonderfull job. The bigger picture is definitly:

I do appreciate the shard, the staff and all it's members to a point that I would donate if I had the possibility to do it. And I see no wrong if donations are sufficient to pay for more than the server and the network, as admins do a wonderfull job."

Slaarion map poofed seconds after I killed him as I was dragging it off it's corps. So I assumed it was a bug, but I might be wrong.

And I can only imagine how it is when you log on and get 10 help requests in queue.

I can assure you that your work is greatly appreciated. If a more complete list of things that don't work as intended can be helpfull, I will happily take the time to make it. If I can help in any other way, I'll be more then happy to do it as well.

Love!

[fingers]

I see more work has been done on mage inquisitions quest, especially in Paroxysmus. I love Ortov's new color. Is it possible to get devs notes on modifications, a little bit like OSI does each time they release a patch?

I only can applaude to a higher drop rate for Grizzle. Has other changes of the sort happened yet?

Thanks in advance!

[Harabakc]

There is a change log, for patches. Small changes aren't usually noted.

The Slaarion map is supposed to disappear, he doesn't have much stuff on his body so check it quickly and get the possible 2 items he will have that you might want and move on.

[Harabakc]

You might want to double check the item decay, the stack of 24+ dead mice I had is apparently down to about 8 now.

[Khemin]

Agree i have lost a few items too =(

[fingers]

What is marvelous about having a short term memory like me is that i can have half the keys for the mage quest, log on and see all my collectors empty, still be incredibly happy and go get my first key