Save the shard! Vote for the Zero Tolerance Bill!

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Is this shard ready for zero tolerance?

Poll ended at Sat May 09, 2009 4:40 pm

Yes! Let's protect our shard and our staff!
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54%
No, I don't like consequences!
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46%
 
Total votes: 39

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Bubba Ho Tep
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Llexa wrote: "if you dont want to have to be held accountable then i can see why you'd be against it
Llexa, we've all been trying to keep all due respect, but this kinda statement in which you sorta people of as for and against is real thick and limited. There are far deeper considerations into this, many people have exposed them, and you can't just insinuate that me, haraback, Blaze Budd, fingers, Kile Morgan and Old Man Alewar, among others, are pontetial deliquents trying to make sure we will get away with future acts of vandalism and disrespect.

Lemme redo the pool question just to ilustrate your "no gray" point of view by our point of view:
Do you agree with Llexa:
1) Yes, I'm a fascist wannabe just looking for someone to follow while screaming "Hail Chief! Bring on the burning crosses!" who does not think that the staff is mature and wise enough to deal with each specific case accordingly.
2) No, I have some common sense and therefore understand that life isn't black and white.

No offense meant (none more than you did by putting us in the "I don't want to be responsable for my acts" group by sheer force of "if you are not with us, you are against us argument), but if things went black and white, we, who do not want them this way, would see it like this (actually creating a paradox :? )
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Bubba!!!! You are so cruel.

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Bubba: before you post something you should really read first. thats not at all what im saying but im not going to waste more of my time referencing what i've already stated. so i'll let you look back at my posts yourself. im not a facist. i simply believe in being accountable for you actions based on a consistent rule and consequence system.
"We push and we push away,
For fear of facing our mistakes.
So we call it judgment,
And watch our friends, our world, ourselves... go comatose, inside."
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I'm starting to wonder if you're deliberately missing the point.
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Llexa wrote:im not a facist.
You do are a facist as much as we, who don't agree with you, are irresponsible people trying to escape the consequences of our future acts by not supporting your point of view. I summed it up neatly. Hope you get it now.
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Harabakc wrote:I'm starting to wonder if you're deliberately missing the point.
She's gotta be... I mean, she does know how to read, right? And we all did explain in a thousand different ways (heck, polar even drawned something of the opposition's major point). So, there doesn't seem to be an alternative.
Well, as long as no one takes this personnal, I can live with that.
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Post by Chroma »

This thread really needs to be locked.

People also really need to stop arguing about stupid stuff. God, you are acting like little kids.
GROW THE [_] UP

A staff member should really lock this though.
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As for education and child-rearing: i promise you if you consistently beat the living snot out of your kid for just any minor transgression, you're raising an axe-murderer.
Old man...I will personally mail you a million dollar check if you can find anywhere in my last post where I said I support harsh punishments for minor, initial violations. To me, repeated minor violations after multiple warnings and reprimands would equal a major concern. I'm primarily for consistency. Consistency. Consistency. Consistency......

Consistency = Trust and Dependability
Consistency leaves no room for between-player bias. However, I will admit it leaves room for inter-admin bias for judging players.

SO once again, I am pro-consistency of going through the hierarchy of punishment (once again....warning, confiscation, 1 or 2 hour jail, 5 hour jail, etc....). I would also say I am "Zero Tolerance" (*Gasp*) for implementing this system. Being against this (to me) is like saying "OMG, I can't believe you are for people getting a warning first for doing something wrong, so they can learn that it's wrong and can change their behavior without being punished...Are you nuts!?!?!?" and "What!?! You want to punish me for something you already asked me to stop doing? UURRGGGHHH!!!!!"

So, when you find the support...pm me with an address and who I should make the check out to.
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Chroma,

While I will agree that this discussion is now an argument that has been off and on track multiple times, and points have been misinterpreted along with arguments that are not promoting progress toward a productive result...I disagree with your statement that this is "stupid stuff." This is an important topic that is about an important attribute of the social structure of the shard.

Ultimately, this will be my last post on here.

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I like the fact that i dont need to log on to get my uoex drama.... keep this thread alive lol :dance :lol:
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Bubba Ho Tep wrote:
Llexa wrote:im not a facist.
You do are a facist as much as we, who don't agree with you, are irresponsible people trying to escape the consequences of our future acts by not supporting your point of view. I summed it up neatly. Hope you get it now.
hate to disappoint you but your lack of reading what I have written, explaining a structure i am willing to be held accountable to if staff so chose to implement it, and calling me a fascist is not intelligent enough to make me change my common sense thought process. i have brought up great points and great analogies (as well as some great psychological and social info thanks to Licos) to explain my view, not to force anyone to accept it. People who voted yes to the PETITION style poll have come to the same conclusion themselves. anyway its pretty clear there are a lot of .....people...... on here so im not going to waste my time anymore. all the answers to my reasonings are in my posts nice and clear. its your choice whether to actually read it or see what you wanna see. but it really doesnt matter. if all you get out of my many posts of great information is that im a facist then there's no hope for you anyway, lol.

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For fear of facing our mistakes.
So we call it judgment,
And watch our friends, our world, ourselves... go comatose, inside."
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... what is his point flubber and uncatchable or something?
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I guess they just don't teach to read in fascist's school, Hara.
So help me here, man:

HAIL, Llexa!

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There's something to be said for mocking the ridiculous with the ridiculous, I'm a big fan of it... but man. I'm seriously at a loss for words.
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I just can’t help but post to this topic. I think that there is a ignore button on all of our chat gumps. Why not just use it and let them pay buy everyone’s individual choice. In this fashion the only thing that staff will have to handle is PK’ing and keeping the game running smooth. I think the last time I read something so anti freedom there was a guy on the cover with a short mustache. Well Just my opinion which is just barley worth the ink used to print this blog post.
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Post by Beanah Vulgaris »

I find that this thread could almost be used in a sociology debate, or paper!

Speaking about sociology, how groups of people function depends on the cultural climate. My observations of this shard are
that of a special community that can have events together like we had this easter, :dance Rock on!

Topic to Ponder: What it is about this server that attracts a person to want status, power, and
wealth within it. What do we all enjoy about this server? We're all looking for something different here
that captures our imagination and holds us to this enjoyable virtual reality.

Problem: There are a few bad apples that spoil the fun for everyone.

As with the formation of any society of people there must be rules to ensure that the rights of others are not trampled.
Simply taking some one out of the equation takes a predator from one arena and allows them to roam to another.
The masters of this server have laid the rules out and it IS up to them to determine how these things will be carried out.
It is they who give graciously to us this virtual reality at their own expenses. It is courteous to abide by their rules and not
to test the rules.

For those that don't is a world where their exploits change the very nature of this social economy and, from personal experience with a game genie or game shark, dulls the competitive rush of any accomplishment. Thus dulling the game
for all involved.

*is getting long winded*
anyways that's my view and in such a way its also a thank you note to the gracious masters of this server who tend to the
needs of an amazing number of people!

As for a punishment idea, one thing that can be taken away without huge repercussions or annoyances might be to lock an account for the duration of a social event (and continuation of this if there is continuation of bad behavior), such as an auction or an Easter egg hunt. This is kinda like a time out stool but the risk isn't the bully being handed off to another server, it limits for the individual what everyone enjoys in this server and hopefully deters the bad apples from these "consistencies" by showing at an early stage that we are a community and we help those who are brothers and sisters to us.

I feel that as a community we might be able to find an intelligent solution that works for everyone with the guidance
and approval of the server masters. Thank you all for your time reading this.

(to those hurt or have been hurt throughout this thread)
It has always been a mystery to me how men can feel themselves honoured by the humiliation of their fellow beings.
Mohandas Gandhi

(theres more i'd like to chat about but... i've lengthened this post more than i should have).
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