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Honestly, the Seller can charge whatever they want for their merchandise and as a Buyer you decide whether to buy it or not at their price.

For those that are unhappy with the prices being offered then the alternative is to create your own luck suit and make bios yourself. Yes there are high upfront costs for creating a 6k luck suit but if you feel that the prices are too high at 5.5 - 7 mil then make a market of it by creating your own bios and sell for less.
** My two cents though, it is not worth the hassle: Most players will need at most 1 good bio and thus its not worth it to create such a high luck suit. **

I agree with Zanther, that there should not have been a forum post / public announcement that a group of players agreed to charge a set price on merchandise. I'm sure Rossi had no intention to say this is an absolute price for bios (aka "price setting" / "monopoly"), rather these prices are what to be expected if you buy from 3 certain bio-engineers (though IMO the three most active bio-engineers). They have no control over what other bio-engineers charge nor the secondary market for bios.

Commenting on Roach's comment, prices are all relative to your time frame. I think about a year ago when I started, bios were 8-10 mil. They flat-lined for 8 million for several months, then I think Zar had dropped prices to 6-7 million maybe 2-3 months ago. Then anarchy had dropped prices significantly with some bios going as low as 3.5 million but i would consider this an extraordinary time / event since he was just clearing his inventory (who really needs 100+ bios anyway?). So if you anchor your point to about a month ago then yeah prices may have raised 75-100%, but compared to a year ago they are still very cheap.

Just for economic argument, I believe oligarchies is the more common term for the bio-engineering market rather than monopolies / trusts. But even then I have my gripes of calling it an oligarchy because demand is relatively elastic. Does anyone absolutely need a bio? Some may argue yes, but IMO its not essential for 99% of the game and the next best alternative (imps) do fairly well in most instances. There will always be times when a bio is better than imps but their pretty darn good substitutes. My basic point is: Bios is not a necessity (like milk or gas) but rather a luxury (like jewelry or Rolls Royce). If you have the gold and want to use a bio then sure buy it, but again its not like you have to own a bio.

Most important thing to remember: This is a game and some RL dynamics do not exist, but other RL dynamics do apply.

Lust wrote: Just for economic argument, I believe oligarchies is the more common term for the bio-engineering market rather than monopolies / trusts. But even then I have my gripes of calling it an oligarchy because demand is relatively elastic. Does anyone absolutely need a bio? Some may argue yes, but IMO its not essential for 99% of the game and the next best alternative (imps) do fairly well in most instances. There will always be times when a bio is better than imps but their pretty darn good substitutes. My basic point is: Bios is not a necessity (like milk or gas) but rather a luxury (like jewelry or Rolls Royce). If you have the gold and want to use a bio then sure buy it, but again its not like you have to own a bio.

Most important thing to remember: This is a game and some RL dynamics do not exist, but other RL dynamics do apply.

Lol awesome, though i dont think we should ever resort to economic arguement.

Anyhoo....

I can and do make bios so I would be a person up against this consortium were i to sell bios. I can tell you I wouldnt sell for less than the quoted prices. I could make more gold hunting in the same time it takes to get organics/samples.

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Lust wrote:Honestly, the Seller ~~~ dynamics do apply.

All that and not one comment about my artful trolling.


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Melkor wrote:Were there people selling fresh bios with trial by fire/counter heal for three mil? 3k hit points totally maxed out bios? Cause my understanding, they have been around 7 mil for over a year for the good ones. You could always get cheaper/used ones of course.

Oh and poster above me, you might want to edit your post to make it family friendly, the staff are extreme sticklers about that.

Hi, sorry for that.

I thought there was only 1 Bio... so didnt know there was any difference between them. so i thought it was a price increase from 3.5 to 7 !!

So i understand the ultimate Uber Bio is 7 mill without Equip... (why is it so uber? )

There is no "uber bio", all there is are crappy bios that come with a poison-counter ability.
All other bios are pretty much the same strenght, some heal more (counter heal) others
deal some more damage (blunt bios).

So as long your bio is capped at str (3k hp/1200 str) and dex (1k stam/ 300 dex) and you
dont have a poison-counter one, it is a awesome bio when dressed up right. If you even
are capped at resists naturally (5x70 undressed) you have one of the best available.

The only real reason, why some bios are more expensive then other are the rarity of
the specials. the rarest special is ch/tbf so this was the most expensive bio for a long
time. and as usual, ppl who have no idea think: most expensive = best. So word was
spread, that ch/tbf is the "uber bio".

Since all counter-heal bios now are the same price, this urban myth might hopefully be
gone soon.

And someone stated that bios are so dang expensive....
Tell me what it costs to get one imp with decent str, ointed up to at least 600 hp and cap dex/ armor rating.
Then compare the imp with a well dressed bio.
I am not saying you need a bio, nor am i saying imps are worth nothing. i just state, that bios are
a very good investment and not as expensive as it was said earlier.

been trying to say that all along Zar; that really there is no difference between a counter healing trial by fire bio and a counter healing ice blast bio. eh urban legends strikes again.

Hi Zar,

Thanks for the awesome reply its really good info!

For me the coolest sounds CH with TBF just cause it sounds cool. Never even casted TBF myself though

But Acid Rain etc sounds good for champion spawn... to much to chose from

anarchy wrote:been trying to say that all along Zar; that really there is no difference between a counter healing trial by fire bio and a counter healing ice blast bio. eh urban legends strikes again.

I'LL URBAN YOUR LEGENDS!

!

Like I say and agree on any shard Ive played on you've got to buy what people sell at.. or make it yourself. until people start making them themselves and lowering the prices then we stick with what we got offering from these 3 people.

For me the coolest sounds CH with TBF just cause it sounds cool. Never even casted TBF myself though

This is another mistake. not that it sounds coolest of course... Bio Trial by fire is a single target fire base attack that hits
for around 40-80 damage. Player TBF (as found in cleric spells) is some kind of "fire-shield" that reflects damage to attacking targets.

As Anarchy stated correctly, the only difference between Iceblast and TBF on bios (well, next to the animation/ special effects) is the damage type: Ice = Frost-Dmg TBF = Fire Damage. So on Netropil Iceblast is better, on Whitewyrms its TBF.

And to be honest, there are only two things you have to ask yourself before buying a bio: Do you want a ch/ blunt counter bio and do you mind your bio to deal area damage or not. If you want area damage, get a acid rain/ comet bio. If not, get one of the
other 3 attack specials.

ice blast is sort of an area damage effect but it stays in place for a time. does low damage but continue damage. it's a very good neptir when there were mice around and is still a good champ bio.

Zar Ivan wrote: There is no "uber bio", all there is are crappy bios that come with a poison-counter ability.

My bio is not crappy... it got poison & trial by fire... tell him Anarchy it's not crappy besides I rather choose a bio with a counter special than counter healing cause I can heal it and it can heal itself with bandies (this you told me before)... anyways I don't use the bio that often anymore just take her out for a walk once in a while....

But yeah... counter healing + [whatever special] seems to be the most favorite.... why?

Well CH was always said to be the best cause it cost more Once again The Urban Myth CH cost more cause it on average takes more Organics to collect a CH sample than it does to collect a Blunt Or Poison sample... But Ch Does allow for the bio to heal itself a lil more than a blunt or Poison bio... Like I've always said there is a perfect bio for different things.. Depending on what exactly you wanna do with the bio is what bio is right for you... Best bio on the market for you might not be the best bio on the market for someone else

i always like personally like counter blunt attack. counter heal doesn't heal a lot but as rossi says heals only a little. rather have a bio force the monster to cure himself if i'm too busy doing otherwise. also a poison bio is excellent for umbris camp because those monsters in there can't cure itself. all bio's have their use's. poison bio's irritate neptir because then it has to worry about curing itself instead of life leeching. same with grizzle. it's a way to disrupt their abilities. i know you could cast poison field on the monster and when a bio's and a bio comes naturally with poison until it reaches so low its useless. counter poison does not rely on it's poison skill level. that's why all bio's are really the same just a really good tank. it's meant to block while your imps kill and you kill my personal favorite is blunt attack call of nature. it's a fun one because it calls for back up to help.

just finished reading all the flame about building a monopoly etc.. etc..

Yes this is against the standard rules on economy, but next to a small glitch in the system (which i have no interest of
getting it changed) there is a reason to all this:

These prices the 3 of us made up are just a security that bio-engineers - even when doing this as their main income-
still can MAKE money. It's just a lower-end on prices. I - for myself - have decided that i sell the blunt-bios for even
more. i think, that the price for ch-ones is a little up the range though, but they are setup correctly determining the
chance on collecting the fitting mimic and i will stick to them as well.

Afair i started lowering the prices in the past from 7-15 to 3.5 (naked maxed bios). then, over time, i raised the price
to 5.5 or - on the special ones - even to 6.2. i did not do this cause i got greedy but this was the average price a bio
cost me. sometimes you get lucky and build one for only 2.5 million, but there were times where i - due to really bad
luck i admit - payed 8.3 million each for a set of 5 bios and sold them for 5.5 fully dressed. No bio is worth 10 - or even
20 million though as it was before. and i really hope we can lower the prices soon - and you can be asured that will be
the case if anything is changed or organic prices will permanently lower.

but one thing all you flamers forget: it is NOT a "make the bio-engineers richer" decision. It also helps new folks get
into business (even if few might come due to the RL-money costs involved). Nobody would kill them if they
would use the same prices - and trust me, your first bios are the most expensive - and they dont need to worry about
lowering prices to a absoulte minimum and then - as myself - even start loosing money when building them on the way to
learn that there is a reason to these prices.

Don't forget one thing: It costs you ALOT of real life money plus a lot of ingame money to start building bios. If you dont
get any help on where and how to start, you even have to spend a lot of time testing to build a perfect bio. the last thing any
player wants when he got all this, is to not even get a small kind of reward for all the effort. And for me, the marge for
selling a bio is roundabout 500k each. On the same time i build a bio, collect the mats needed for gear-crafting, craft the fitting gear, train the bio, teach my client about these special pets EACH of my client has made at least the same amount
just farming gold with his bio. And Nelapsi has made another 5-Mithril stack in the same time and added it to the pyramid

When i decided to build bios myself - about half a year ago - i payed 23 (for a bad dressed but 4x ps'd) and 15 millions
for a naked (not even maxed on resis) ch bio. At the same or sometimes even far lower organic price. These were uber-prices
Now the shard has hit a price, that is fair for the clients as well as for the builders. And as long as there is no change in
organic-prices or no change in the script, it will stay that way.

And to all flamers and trolls.... Try it yourself and learn for yourself!