Ton of Bricks.

[Johnny Warren]

I will admit I did make several posts out of anger and probably made fun of John's shirt because after donating 10k in a month which I'm sure has never been done I didn't get anything lol kinda still salty about that.

Didn't you get like, thousands of ed, which can be turned into billions of gold? The shirts aren't like auction items, you can't buy them. As +C said they're more like a medal for doing something of worth in game. Although I did get a " Shirt of resolute disappointment" off +C for complaining about something once.

Btw, just an opinion: I think you are overpaying for these auction items. I think it's the same thing as anywhere else, if you want it done quick it will cost extra. So, you can get it for the "regular price" if you go to a few auctions and monitor the prices and then try to win an item when it's favorable. But if you want to buy everything right now, then you'll have to outbid several other players and that comes to a much higher price.

I also think about how these auctions would play out if you bought everything all the time. All other players would keep accumulating their gold, and never get to spend it, so the prices would just keep increasing.

You're just paraphrasing everything I said in the other 2 auction threads and this one. Let's see if Yuki and the other JW haters jump on you for saying these things...

Changes planned for auctions:
- limiting items in terms of per-year/per-player. E.g. 1 totem slot per player per year. The current tight supply is also to prevent 1 person to buy too much of something, and after we have such a restriction, we can start selling much more of it. This requires items (or the bonuses that are applied) to be account bound, otherwise there it will all just be bought through proxies.
- a portion of the items might be made available at special raffle stones: the tickets with have a ramping cost, e.g. each ticket costs 1% more than the previous one, to tilt the scales a bit more in favor of the general population. And this also makes items easier available to those who can't come to the auction physically.

There is a much simpler, neater, less-work-needed solution to these problems: Host more auctions. I'm sorry but I find it hilarious that the example you use is "1 totem slot per player per year" when the totem is auctioned off once every 2 or 3 years, definitely nobody going to be picking up a second totem in a year when they aren't even auctioned annually as it is. Things get even more bleak when you look at the rare stuff, not boring old totem slots. Ethy diablo, X to Y deed and +10 to a hit are far rarer than totems at auctions. Makes me sad that we almost never get to see these things auctioned. I completely understand UO is a very slow game, but when you need to have a 10 - 15 year plan to obtain a single item it gets a bit grim... And that's coming from a fairly rich veteran. Imagine being a mid game player, you've spent 2 years here, you really want that ancient wep, or X to Y deed, but because of the lack of auctions you have to wait for 8 veterans to burn through 1 billion each before you get a shot. This will never happen, because of how infrequent auctions are and so those stacks don't deplete, meaning that as long as the status quo is maintained newer players, particularly mid-tier players wanting to make the jump to end game, need to wait for rich players to die IRL or quit before they can participate because there is no mechanism in the game to allow them an entry point.

With monthly/fortnightly auctions you will see:

- Reduction in inflation
- Reduction in overall prices at auctions from the stupid heights they are now
- Space opened up for mid-game players to enter the economy or purchase auction items
- Fewer arguments on forum about that one time an auction happened
- More end game content for those of us that have done everything else in the game, twice over

Reduced gold amongst veterans is also a very good thing for mid and new players. Many veterans are bored of the content and so make their wealth on the "market" here. Whether that's with items or on the ExEx. If I see a GoC at 45ED I am buying that thing, because I have tonnes of ED sitting there never going to be used. It would be way better for a new player to buy that GoC and get use from it, but they will be forced to buy them off me for 60ED because my gold stack is big enough that I can scrape all the "underpriced" items and markup prices, and can afford to have them sit for 9 months before selling. Now, I am not telling you this story so that Yuki can go "this is why I formed the JW hate club", I am telling you because this is how it is. If I can make 15ed with 0 effort just because I am rich, I will do that. I am not alone amongst the wealthy who do this, and when you extrapolate how many big, bored bank balances there are out there, newer players suffer. How to fix it? Deplete the rich players balances. How to do that? More auctions. It doesn't take a degree in economics to see this. If I have 13000ED sitting there doing nothing, or 1.4billion gold, then that 45ed investment is nothing. If I've only got 130ED and 12m in gold, then I am probably saving those resources and not buying the cheap GoC, so it gets picked up by someone who can use it. I think it is underestimated how big a problem these huge gold stacks are for the health of the server.

I personally don't think you need to add a single line of code to fix this problem at all. You don't even need the new rule we tried; "Only 1 deco item per player per auction" because with regular, frequent, auctions managing your gold stack, saving for the item you really want, becomes important again. Right now the uber wealthy just bid on everything because their stacks are astronomical. Until those gold stacks deplete, nothing improves.

Which, while not wanting to rehash this entire argument, was the point I was making about Lach since January, and why it is erroneous to compare his actions to Muolke's, or any other past big time auction spender. Muolke's stack depletes, I know because I bought a few high end items during his reign. I had to wait a year or 2, but eventually his gold ran low enough I could win an item here or there, as could others. Lach would reload a billion each time through the huge donations. He would even come out and make threads saying he had done exactly this and tell everyone that they needed to stop trying at auctions as they were owned by him. Meaning there was never, and as long as that attitude persisted, would never, be a moment for anyone else to have a shot. That was the single point I tried to make this whole time. As Lachian stated above, we spoke in PM recently and he reflected and said that his antics at auctions weren't good for anyone and that he would change moving forward. I commend this, and hope it remains his intent.

We shall see, if/when another auction is hosted.

[culichi]

@john warren how much you want for that " Shirt of resolute disappointment" ? id pay stupid money for it

yeah ive always found it dumb to call them donations but i get why its done that way so jerks dont try doing chargeback complaints its definately us buying ed plain and simple.

[Johnny Warren]

@john warren how much you want for that " Shirt of resolute disappointment" ? id pay stupid money for it

Alas they are account bound... but that particular one would not be for sale.

For the record my shirts were obtained for the following:

Shirt of Excelsioran Vigilance - Identifying and documenting a multiaccounter that led to +C jailing/banning them.

Protector of the Economy - I passed info to +C about the create food bug, which at the time was the second biggest source of ill-gotten gold on the server (after AFK farming). This is my personal favourite shirt.

Shirt of Resolute Disappointment - I went pretty hard at +C in WC for not banning someone when they had been found multiaccounting in a big way to farm the vote stone for ED. He did delete all the alt accounts and the ED from the accused... but the codex penalties were clear, in my opinion.

Shirt of Excelsioran Vigilance (#2) - Acting on information I had received that someone was scamming players with the old ancient SOSs (this one is recent, you can see the forum thread).

The first 2 shirts also came with some rewards, I think it was a few of the ED deeds form the stones in Trinsic. IIRC it was +100 luck and +10 levels deeds. If you see something fishy in game, report it. It could turn out that you draw light on a sinister action or exploit and +C rewards you handsomely for not using the exploit.

Final point, in a few months you will see all the multiaccounters come out in huge numbers if the halloween dungeon opens up - they can't help themselves during this event. There's a couple of players from last season that didn't get caught, I know who you are, so keep multiaccounting at your own risk. Sigil fever grips everyone during that event and people can't resist the temptation to cheat, as it is difficult for +C to check. But I already have screen recordings last year from one of the players I know who cheats, I will continue to make them and compile evidence for +C. One of you has had such high numbers of tasks already (yeah your ex guildies squealed) that this will likely be your last straw, even if jailed, not banned. So how about you just don't cheat and just use one account, yeah? That goes for everyone. If you are running 2 or more accounts to farm, just stop. It's a slow game, not meant to be a race.

[Lach]

The Ed's are nice but tbh when these donations are put towards the shard it will be a huge win game changing even you know what I mean. That's the reason of me saying that I could at least get a shirt I mean come on lol.

Anyway I agree with the item spread it's crazy bro if that is as little as the items are auctioned off but I mean in away it's still the same thing as scripting balron farming and selling the script even come on man that's worse than only having one totem a year...... But that's over now because everyone can have it for free. It's in our discord channel.

As far as Ed prices I will keep them below 50k each & that's that even hurts my self but helps the new players and we need new players. Oh I could have easily turned my dude in but instead I told him to refund everyone and appolgize you know do the right thing, he's just a kid after all. So yeah that shirt should be mine not to meantion a "stop snitching" one lol. Because did he not return the gold and appolgize you can check out our dm history if you would like. I mean why go on a witch hunt for a 15 year old kid from a 3rd world country playing a video game.

Agian yall are way to uptight about this game it's a game have fun it's not life touch grass while you can. Yes I reloaded billions every auction I'll get another billion if I want it's ultimately my choice to do so. As far as what I said about auctions I said stop running the prices up because that was all you all where doing, I don't bid on anything I don't want and you guys where bidding everything I wanted through the roof.

Oh one last thing remember the animal lore sash I outbid sister for I gave it to her because I was buying it for someone else who backed out. She did give me some good dex rings to give away though.

[Silent]

... running the prices up because that was all you all where doing, I don't bid on anything I don't want and you guys where bidding everything I wanted through the roof...

This is an important note. I don't recall Lach bidding over himself in the auction. The malicious intent to make him spend more money and inflate the hell out of the auction indeed happened. at least someone bid 10% less of what he paid for.

There was a lot of things said I don't agree in the huge posts but again. Auction frequency is key. When we all go broke perhaps someone with a 9-17h job and a family who barely donates may have a shot at this. And for me its about everyone having a shot.

Purpose of auctions:
- to sink a lot of gold,
- and also to make new, very rare, or unique things available somehow, with dynamic pricing.

Changes planned for auctions:
- limiting items in terms of per-year/per-player. E.g. 1 totem slot per player per year. The current tight supply is also to prevent 1 person to buy too much of something, and after we have such a restriction, we can start selling much more of it. This requires items (or the bonuses that are applied) to be account bound, otherwise there it will all just be bought through proxies.
- a portion of the items might be made available at special raffle stones: the tickets with have a ramping cost, e.g. each ticket costs 1% more than the previous one, to tilt the scales a bit more in favour of the general population. And this also makes items easier available to those who can't come to the auction physically.

The limit on player bids is not solving a problem, and it will lash back eventually. If a player could bid on a totem twice a year that would mean that there were two totems in a year... Don't forget that donators need to suck several amounts of gold from players who would probably not bid at anything. The more they need the more they will suck from the economy and from individual stashes. And that is the true money sink that you are after.

You have a lot of rares that could be "rotated" with an auction every 2-M. That is all you need to reduce gold. Every day that goes without an auction is more Xmillions of gold that is just piled up.

Rare item + low auction frequency = insane inflation. Even if it is overbid it is "now or in a year or two". That is the problem.

[HotMale]

Why not create a simple NPC who offers the following: “Bring me 10x Level 100 Weapons and 100 Mithril Ingots, and I will reward you.” In return, players could receive random enhancements like +1 to a stat or +1% to hit spells, which they could apply to their gear. This would allow players to continuously improve their equipment.

So basically, player is paying something like 100-200M Gold/per random +1 stat/hit spell Deed.

This would be a significant gold sink, creating a market for Level 100 weapons and ensuring players always have something to upgrade.

[Lach]

Why not create a simple NPC who offers the following: “Bring me 10x Level 100 Weapons and 100 Mithril Ingots, and I will reward you.” In return, players could receive random enhancements like +1 to a stat or +1% to hit spells, which they could apply to their gear. This would allow players to continuously improve their equipment.

So basically, player is paying something like 100-200M Gold/per random +1 stat/hit spell Deed.

This would be a significant gold sink, creating a market for Level 100 weapons and ensuring players always have something to upgrade.

That's a cool idea

[Alibaster]

As far as Ed prices I will keep them below 50k each & that's that even hurts my self but helps the new players and we need new players.

Be careful doing this. 1) It's manipulation of the ED market which could get blow back from +C and 2) +C has played around with raising the ED cost for items in the ED room. Keeping ED prices low artificially may cause him to raise prices on the items to compensate. That hurts new players even more down the road when ED prices go back up. You can't sustain the low ED prices indefinitely.

[Muolke]

The Ed's are nice but tbh when these donations are put towards the shard it will be a huge win game changing even you know what I mean. That's the reason of me saying that I could at least get a shirt I mean come on lol.

As it clearly states in the UOEX website…

- You are donating by your own choice for the purpose of covering the costs to keep the community online.
- You are not making this donation in order to expect something in return

Not sure why you think you should get anything extra on top of the EDs you already get with a donation.

Anyway I agree with the item spread it's crazy bro if that is as little as the items are auctioned off but I mean in away it's still the same thing as scripting balron farming and selling the script even come on man that's worse than only having one totem a year...... But that's over now because everyone can have it for free. It's in our discord channel.

It’s actually not because the Balron script wasn’t available publicly until I advertised it being for sale. I’ve never been much of a Balron farmer but there were a couple of people that would literally spend 10-12 hours per day running the script and that hurt the economy. Advertising selling the script first caused the script to become public for anyone to use and then also caused +C to finally make changes to the Balron loot.

Donating takes zero time, zero effort, and has nothing to do with the game itself.

As far as Ed prices I will keep them below 50k each & that's that

This is the kind of attitude that rubs people the wrong way. This is what JW and Colibri already mentioned. I was hoping you were serious in changing your attitude based on previous posts but it’s clear you weren’t serious about it.

Agian yall are way to uptight about this game it's a game have fun it's not life touch grass while you can.

The guy that donated $20,000 in about 6 months telling other players they take the game too seriously? That’s rich. No pun intended.

Yes I reloaded billions every auction I'll get another billion if I want it's ultimately my choice to do so.

You’re right it is. Just like it’s everyone’s right to run you up on all those auction items you bid on. It works both ways.

[Muolke]

This is an important note. I don't recall Lach bidding over himself in the auction. The malicious intent to make him spend more money and inflate the hell out of the auction indeed happened. at least someone bid 10% less of what he paid for.

Why is it malicious intent for a player to bid on the same item Lachian is bidding on? Just like there’s a player that bid 10% less what he paid for it…Lachian had to physically bid 10% more for that item. Nobody is forcing him to overpay for items. He’s making that choice all by himself. He even made a forum post saying he’d buy everything so nobody else could win an item.

Do you expect the entire community to just let Lord Lachian win all the items and not pay a premium?

There’s several players that can buy any auction item they want. Myself included. We all just have a max we’re willing to spend on an item. If a player wants an item at any cost then they’ll have to pay “any cost”. Since auctions are quite rare it gets to a point where gold isn’t the enemy…time is.

I’ve actually encouraged Lachian to keep donating. I think it’s great because it incentivizes Colibri to spend more time working on UOEX. But you can’t it have it both ways.

[culichi]

@lach
that comment about unilaterally deciding you are going to keep ed price under 50k rubbed me the wrong way too. people really are bending over backwards to give you a chance here but you are coming off like lord elon sometimes. i'm really not trying to pick on you i don't think you are a bad guy but your actions and comments are having a bad effect on the server.

[Lach]

The Ed's are nice but tbh when these donations are put towards the shard it will be a huge win game changing even you know what I mean. That's the reason of me saying that I could at least get a shirt I mean come on lol.

As it clearly states in the UOEX website…

- You are donating by your own choice for the purpose of covering the costs to keep the community online.
- You are not making this donation in order to expect something in return

Not sure why you think you should get anything extra on top of the EDs you already get with a donation.

Anyway I agree with the item spread it's crazy bro if that is as little as the items are auctioned off but I mean in away it's still the same thing as scripting balron farming and selling the script even come on man that's worse than only having one totem a year...... But that's over now because everyone can have it for free. It's in our discord channel.

It’s actually not because the Balron script wasn’t available publicly until I advertised it being for sale. I’ve never been much of a Balron farmer but there were a couple of people that would literally spend 10-12 hours per day running the script and that hurt the economy. Advertising selling the script first caused the script to become public for anyone to use and then also caused +C to finally make changes to the Balron loot.

Donating takes zero time, zero effort, and has nothing to do with the game itself.

As far as Ed prices I will keep them below 50k each & that's that

This is the kind of attitude that rubs people the wrong way. This is what JW and Colibri already mentioned. I was hoping you were serious in changing your attitude based on previous posts but it’s clear you weren’t serious about it.

Agian yall are way to uptight about this game it's a game have fun it's not life touch grass while you can.

The guy that donated $20,000 in about 6 months telling other players they take the game too seriously? That’s rich. No pun intended.

Yes I reloaded billions every auction I'll get another billion if I want it's ultimately my choice to do so.

You’re right it is. Just like it’s everyone’s right to run you up on all those auction items you bid on. It works both ways.

Ed price should not be over 50k each I even sell them and don't think it should it's not about me being lord lachain Jesus, it's about bringing new life to this shard which apparently none of you care about. Not one time have I heard mention of that but that's fine let them run rampant so you can have more gold. What about that is a problem other than that it gives new players a chance to earn it they should not have to pay what 65k I think it was when I came back for 1 Ed that's 32.5 million for 1 relayer deed it's crazy. It would take me 25 to 30 days of non stop playing to earn that and you wonder why people don't stick around. That's what yall seem to understand I'm not greedy or worried about only my self first it's auction prices then now it's Ed prices I can't with yall. +C himself has thanked me at least 3 times for bringing them down in price. The vets of this shard should not have a monopoly on what prices are set at. Don't you understand without new players this shard is just a bunch tc sitters. I am not trying to run anyone the wrong way I have made at least 5 new players stick around since I started my guild playing full time and more that are on weekends what have you all done for the shard in the last month or two......... I'll wait. Now for Muolke do you even play this game or just run that mouth and try and show everyone else up now your mad because I showed you up lol. Yeah I spent 20k because I'm not spending 20 years grinding for it bro because of how the vets act about only they can do it.

[Muolke]

Now for Muolke do you even play this game or just run that mouth and try and show everyone else up now you’re mad because I showed you up lol. Yeah I spent 20k because I'm not spending 20 years grinding for it bro because of how the vets act about only they can do it.

Here’s the thing Lachian, you hide behind the veil of “I’m just helping new players” but it’s obvious that’s not why you do what you do. It’s all about your ego and your need to seek validation.

Grinding for years has been the way us “vets” have gained what we have. Sure, we sometimes donate to get a little extra to help finish a project but a vast majority of our wealth has been gained by actually playing the game. I don’t think you realize how you look when you try to taunt vets that have been at this for years to have what they (myself included) have.

Btw: I started my UOEX “break” before you showed up. Your arrival hasn’t impacted my gameplay in the least. Getting messages on Discord from multiple players about your attitude and shenanigans has however provided me a lot of entertainment.

[Lach]

Ahwww I'm glad your amused keep telling your self that I ain't hiding anything your just trying to make attacking me sound good it's pathetic.

[Dirtybook]

*Gives the slow clap with a smirk*

Bravo Lachian. You are proving my point..

You have the likes of Silent and +C going to bat for you, and you are showing who you really are.. bit by bit..

I think I am going to enjoy the show.. You won't be able to hide it much longer.

+C, after this self induced Blood Bath Lachian is about to give him self, I would like a shirt. I would like it to read "Rude, but not wrong" ... I'm thinking a shade of purple..