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What is the highest yield per day you should expect to get from each bee hive?

Every day my hives are in need of Greater Cure potions..is that normal or is there something I can do to minimize that?

With 22 hives, how many hives failing to produce is normal? 2? 4? 8?

Any other tips to maximize the efficiency of my hives would be appreciated. Thank you

I have had 2-8 hives fail on me, religiously, daily. You won't be able to minimize the needed potions per day, or hives failing to produce. However, use a Greater Agility potion per day, on all Hives. I've gotten 10 Wax, and 30 Honey, "Daily". (Unless the hive does not produce, or is sickly.)

Past that, I know of nothing else... Other than max cap per hive is 255 of what Wax and Honey it produces, before you have to remove it with a tool. Or the future amounts, for the next day, will be lost due to the cap.

Maybe someone else can point in a more thorough direction. This is all I know. *shrugs*

Alibaster wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:00 pm What is the highest yield per day you should expect to get from each bee hive?

Hives will either produce or fail to produce. If you used potions correctly and they produce, they'll produce 13 wax and 40 honey.

The more hives you have, the more likely each will fail to produce. The optimal number of hives is somewhere around 20-22.

Alibaster wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:00 pm Every day my hives are in need of Greater Cure potions..is that normal or is there something I can do to minimize that?

Every day your hives will need 1 greater cure, 1 greater poison and 2 greater agility potions. They can be applied directly from a keg; no need to convert to potion form.

If you missed a day (it happens), the hives will not produce and you'll also have to apply additional cure/poison potions along with greater healing potions to get the hives back to 100k bees and thriving health.

Greater strength potions do something but not enough to bother with them. When the hives were very young, greater strength seemed to reduce the probability that they'd need both cure and poison potions the next day. But only when they were very young.

Potions:
*Always put 2 greater agility on each hive- max production each day is 40 honey and 13 wax.
*Potions will gradually increase from needing none after they first reach 100% to needing 1 Greater Poison and 1 Greater Cure every day. After day 70, they will always need 1 Greater Poison and 1 Greater Cure every day.
*If you miss a day, make sure you look to see if they need one (yellow) or two (red). In addition- if they are Healthy, add 1 Greater Heal; if they are Sickly, you will need 2 Greater Heal.
*If you miss two days, they will be Dying. This will take two days to recover- 2 Greater Heal on the first day will usually bring them to Healthy on day 2, and then 1 Greater Heal on day 2 to bring up to Thriving.

Production:
There are forum posts where people tracked production.
*I have personally found them to produce 62%-82% of total possible production each day (40 honey, 13 wax per hive per day).
*On average I found it to be around 76-78% on a monthly basis. Each day, you will usually have a minimum of two that did not produce.
*Rarely you will find the same hive does not produce two days in a row. Very, very rarely I have had a couple hives over the years that either did not increase the bees in the hives or not produce for 5 days in a row. I think it is on a random generator. Eventually they start again. And they do not remain "problem hives" after that so *shrugs*. Lose more production taking them down and waiting 2 weeks for them to get up again.
*They only produce for the person that owns (not co-owns) the house, regardless of who placed the hives.
*Someone other than the owner can put potions on the hives which will keep them alive and thriving, but they will not produce.
*You can halt the potions if you know you are going out of town, etc by placing pine needles on them. Buy off a BeeKeeper NPC for 3062 each. You will need one needle per hive per day and it will reset the rollover time to the next rounded hour after you place the needles on them.

Max Hives:
Most people do 22 as they have the most accessible for putting potions on and they produce the most on average per hive. Every hive over 22, production goes down. Over 24 hives, even if separated in different houses you own, they will not produce anything.

Feel free to pm if you have any questions. Always happy to talk bees!

Thanks for all the great feedback. Sounds like I'm on track and doing the right thing. So one more piece of advice. If you were going to go on vacation for 2 weeks and you are not sure if you will have time to tend to your bees, is it worth the cost of the needles or just remove the hives and start over when you get back? With 22 hives over 14 days, that's almost 1 mil just to keep them alive!!

Alibaster wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:50 pm Thanks for all the great feedback. Sounds like I'm on track and doing the right thing. So one more piece of advice. If you were going to go on vacation for 2 weeks and you are not sure if you will have time to tend to your bees, is it worth the cost of the needles or just remove the hives and start over when you get back? With 22 hives over 14 days, that's almost 1 mil just to keep them alive!!

I haven't calculated it recently but IIRC for a week to ten days it's more or less a wash. For two full weeks you're better off chopping them before you go unless you value the bragging rights for the day count.

BUT, if you have a script and can make it online at least once every two days while vacationing, you're better off doing that. Not many people travel without laptops these days, nor stay long in locations devoid of Internet access.

Wil wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:59 pm

Alibaster wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:50 pm Thanks for all the great feedback. Sounds like I'm on track and doing the right thing. So one more piece of advice. If you were going to go on vacation for 2 weeks and you are not sure if you will have time to tend to your bees, is it worth the cost of the needles or just remove the hives and start over when you get back? With 22 hives over 14 days, that's almost 1 mil just to keep them alive!!

I haven't calculated it recently but IIRC for a week to ten days it's more or less a wash. For two full weeks you're better off chopping them before you go unless you value the bragging rights for the day count.

BUT, if you have a script and can make it online at least once every two days while vacationing, you're better off doing that. Not many people travel without laptops these days, nor stay long in locations devoid of Internet access.

Getting on line is not the problem. Having a wife who understand that I'm doing this while on vacation is the issue. I wish I had a script for bees. Would make my life easier. Anyone have one for Orion?

Scripting for bees is limited becausee of the randomization and the pixelation of the mapping. You can write a script to open the hives and to harvest them, but you will still have to manually put the potions on. FWIW.... if a hive produces every day, you will have 6 days before you have to harvest honey, 20 days till harvesting wax

ButteryBiscuits wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:15 pm Scripting for bees is limited becausee of the randomization and the pixelation of the mapping. You can write a script to open the hives and to harvest them, but you will still have to manually put the potions on. FWIW.

I use an OpenEUO script I wrote which analyzes the graphic to find the dark spots and applies the potions. Fully automated; I just click the start button. I posted an earlier version here in the forums back when +Arden first made the bee change if you feel like hunting it down. I believe one of the Orion folks told me he made a script for Orion too, though it operates on a different principle since Orion can't read the pixels on the screen.

This is the beehive gump from orion. Good luck figuring it out.

Gump information:
Serial=0x095CA3E6
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X=0
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button 78 163 22153 22153 1 0 60186

Gump text:
[0] Where to pour?

davethemage wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:17 am This is the beehive gump from orion. Good luck figuring it out.

Gump information:
Serial=0x095CA3E6
ID=0x43B02091
X=0
Y=0

Gump buttons:
[60000] button 58 9 1210 1210 1 0 60000
[60001] button 70 9 1210 1210 1 0 60001
[....]
tilepic 92 130 2538
text 40 142 1152 0
button 78 163 22153 22153 1 0 60186

Gump text:
[0] Where to pour?

beehive.jpg

Looks like a nice a challenge, i might get into bees...

I do bees. Have the opening of hives, collecting of wax/honey all scripted, but took one look at this gump and said... well at least i can fill up my kegs while feeding my hives. (I just recently found out you can make potions to go to kegs while feeding your hives without it kicking you off your alchemy as long as all your hives are already open. )

It looks like maybe you have the position and color of the dots in that gump data?

The general strategy I used was:

1. Convert the RGB values in the gump to grayscale.

2. Shrink the image, blurring all the sharp borders together. If you shrink to one third width, that just means you average each block of 9 pixels together into 1 pixel. This eliminates the lines between dots so you just have continuous patches of light and dark. Continuous patches becomes important at step 4.

3. Change from grayscale to plain black and white so that each pixel in the shrunken image is either 0 or 1.

4. Identify the largest 0 spot in the image by starting from each 0 pixel and expanding in a breadth-first search of all adjacent 0 pixels until only adjacent 1 pixels remain. A 0 pixel can only be consumed by one spot. After all 0 pixels in the image are consumed, the spot containing the most pixels is the largest.

5. Abort the script if the dark spot is too large. Rarely, the two spots come up with a slight overlap. The center would be right at the border between them and is rejected by the game as a bad potion application. No big deal; run the script again and the next random positioning of the two spots won't be a problem.

6. Average the x,y positions of all the dark pixels in the largest dark spot to get the center of the dark spot.

7. Click there. Or I guess in Orion's case, it'd be click the button at that location.

Wil wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:08 am It looks like maybe you have the position and color of the dots in that gump data?

There are images overlaying clickable buttons. I looked through it, mapped it out, and confirmed my results about a year ago. You can see the color of the cells, but you have to find the corresponding button beneath it.

The buttons do not have the same count per row, which means you have to count it out beforehand. Which is fine, since it is always the same button layout.

If I recall there were 3 detectable colors.

Incredibly tedious, wasn't worth it to me. I have my findings and a potential solution in a .txt somewhere in my uoex folder. Just can't be bothered. I'd rather increase script efficiency and add cool features when I have down time. It was enough for me to see what was going on under the hood.

On top of this, the potion type and count is very hard to get. The numbers change based on a several things. I looked into it, but although there are repeating paterns, its very tedious to map out. Basically, thriving bee hives were easy, but trying to account for all 5 potions was awefull. 3^5 minus some due to patterns. I'd give an example, but I've forgotten the exact behavior. This was a year ago .

If Orion allowed for pixel color grabbing this would be easy.

MagicUser wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:42 am There are images overlaying clickable buttons. I looked through it, mapped it out, and confirmed my results about a year ago. You can see the color of the cells, but you have to find the corresponding button beneath it.

[60000] button 58 9 1210 1210 1 0 60000

The 58, 9 look like x/y coordinates within the gump. Are they?

tilepic 44 10 2538
tilepichue 50 10 2538 844

And then the same here, x, y coordinates (probably top left), a pic number from art.mul (2538=0x9ea, a golden dot with a black border) and an optional UO hue number that you can check in the hue room and translate to either dark (0) or bright (1). Default hue is yellow/gold, so I assume plain tilepic would be a 1.

gumppic 0 0 65

This is the basket graphic (65=0x41) from gumpart.mul. I assume it's saying to put the basket at position 0,0 (top left) within the defined area for the gump, though perhaps it's saying place a gump based on the basket graphic at screen position 0,0.


Can you take the data you collected and re-inject it to the client via a script so that you can paint your own gump? If yes, then you'd be able to adjust the numbers and see how the gump changes as a result. That'd make it real easy to try out techniques and equations until your script picks the right place to click.

If they are x,y positions then you could just do the opposite of my OpenEUO algorithm: instead of reading and shrinking the bitmap, create your own bitmap, fill it with 1's and then paint a blotch of 0 centered at each 0 hued tile. Then it's the same algorithm I did: find the biggest contiguous 0 spot in the bitmap.

Then you just go find the button closest to the location you decided was the center of your spot on the bitmap and click it.

MagicUser wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:42 am On top of this, the potion type and count is very hard to get.

You're using Orion.InfoGump([index=-1]), right? So we have:

tilepic 190 71 3850
text 190 47 1153 0
text 190 71 1153 1
text 190 96 1153 1
text 190 121 1153 2
text 190 146 1153 2
text 81 71 52 3
text 81 96 52 3
text 40 20 1153 4
text 234 20 92 5
text 40 172 1153 6
text 59 172 1153 7
text 232 172 37 8
text 100 42 92 9
text 116 146 92 10
Gump text:
[0] 2
[1] 1
[2] 0
[3] -
[4] 5
[5] +
[6] ?
[7] S
[8] \
[9] Colony : 100k
[10] Thriving

tilepic 190 71 3850
This is a poison potion with some empty space to either side (art.mul index 3850)

text 190 71 1153 1
should mean gump text index 1 (the number "1") hue 1153 (ice white) at positon 190,71 (poison potions already applied)

text 81 71 52 3
should mean text index 3 (a hyphen "-") hue 52 (yellow) at position 81.71 (infestation, aka needs poison)

text 116 146 92 10
should mean text index 10 ("Thriving") hue 92 (blue) at position 116,146