Excelsior

Would it be possible to give a couple more opportunities on higher level pets to breed? It is near impossible to breed something above the half way mark. And I am doing ozzies. They don't need any mana or intelligence. Things like Mares or dragons that cast, I would not even bother. Would not be possible according to what I've seen here. By the time you get half way to maxed stats, all your pets are bred out. I would guess that 85-90 % give one opportunity to breed.
I understand why this is. But it has been impossible for me so far to breed anything with over 410 hit points. And when the pet does get higher stats and hits, it's level is high enough that you need to breed the level down to be able to go on. After level 43 they are too advanced to breed anyway. So unless you have a pet with decent stats and low level, you will loose the desireable traits to get the level down. And the way the averaging works it is easier to raise the level than bring it down.
By this time all the breeding stock that you worked so hard to raise is bred out, so to get the level down you have to get a fresh tamed pet with either no hits or resists to breed the level down. And then it's back to square one loosing the wanted traits to drop level.
So how about maybe after level 35 you get a couple extra breed opportunities, to over come this? One breeding opportunity with most pets makes it rather futile. Just a couple more shots on the higher end is not going to flood the shard with uber pets. I'm probably the only one to join after the change and not have a mazed pet.

I think that's kind of the point, to prevent uber-ostards/hellhounds/hellcats that dominate other shards.

there's a trick... not sure if i'm suposed to tell you, maybe i can hint that you must use low generation animals to get to the high stats. othervise, all the stats are capped... and pack-instincted animals (ostards, dogs, cats, etc) have lower caps, since they already get a bonus from their pack instinct.

There's two ways actually... the first one is kinda referred to as "cyclic breeding", where you keep a cycle of one "high gen pet that can breed" and breed with with whatever generationXX (15, 20... up to unlimited) every few days.
The second one i came up with myself, but i guess it was used others too. it's simmilar to cyclic, except that you dont breed with "high gen pet that can breed" but you rather take "the lowest gen with highest stats... stat/gen ratio". i call it "breeding in runs". It's more time consuming but you end up with a big stack of maxed pets...

Anyway i bet there's more theories to that (just many versions of the same approach). keep in mind that here, pets can only breed for 1-3 times, which takes the advantage of veteran players simply rebreeding whatever maxed pets they have. So new players can have a profit aswell, if they start from scratch.

I dont want to ruin your fun

Also Wizzer, don't feel too bad. I don't have any maxed pets. I started with Excelsior before this particular change, but was at that time neither financially nor skill-capable of taming and training any of the powerful pets. And when I say powerful pets I might as well include frenzied ostards, because at that time I couldn't even tame them.

But, with some work it's still possible, just like Colibri was saying. And even without those methods, mathematically, eventually, it would be possible....many thousands of tames and breeds and trains later.

After raising several maxed Hiryus, frienzied ostards, and hell hounds, it's very possible. The level averaging system does work, it's the average + 1-3 levels. Take that information how you will.

The cyclic breeding is a sound system. But if you only get one opportunity to breed that high end pet, then you really can't do the cyclic breeding. That is what I'm talking about. And you say the pack instinct animals have stats caped? Can you tell me what those caps are so I don't waste time trying useless gains?

So this system is designed to have a reverse phyramid affect. You have an enormous base of starting breed stock that dwindles down to one pet that is a keeper. I think I get the picture now. And that is fine. It looks to me that I'll breed about 400-500 animals at least to get one near maexd. I chose ozzies because you don't need intelligence or mana for those as they don't cast. I would venture to say that you need to create a stream of breed stock for each trait or stat possible, or just do very little on everything and take a real long time.

A caster like a dragon or mare will have a breed stock base close to 1000 in order to get one pet maxed in all stats. So then does this system maybe trade a lack of uber pets to an overwhelming item count for the shard? If you have a larger player base doing 1000 pets for any particular specie, insn't that going to overload the shard item count? Not whinning just thinking out loud. Maybe an easier way to eliminate the high item count and too many uber pets is bt changing the follower slots? Let the peeps have the uber pets, but not all at once. Just a thought.

Caps for non-pack-instincted animals are:
hp/stam/mana: 1000/500/1000
all resistances max 75
minmax damage 17/25
str/dex/int : 1000/250/750

PACK INSTINCTED have these different:
str/dex/int: 250 / 125 / 175

well with some chance that the animal can breed 2 or 3 times, id say if you start with 15 pairs of ostards lvl 20-ish, you should reach lvl 42 just by the time their strenght enables... after that you do a second run and get their str up too.
i suggest getting a personal trainer, best would be to get it together with someone else. that makes leveing pets a breeze.

well, just my 2 cents worth...

if i have to get out a Calculus book, a slide rule, a scientific calculator and an Abacus to see what pet i can breed with what other pet and when is the best time to do it...

well...

that takes all the fun out of playing the game...

I play this for recreation....

not for deep planning and thought....

if i wanted to do that....

I would go play some sort or stratagy game....

thus if you haven't guessed by now....

The breeding of pets here has no purpose for me, it isn;t fun if i have to stratagize just to breed to fictitious animals....

Not a big deal anymore. But admin Colibri's first answer does not seem possible unless you can cycle a pet through with more than one breeding opportunity. And like Cope said. It takes lots to get there but you can.

Stop raising their level when they hit 40, don't let them level past that, even if their max is higher.

After breeding 150-200 frenzied's so far haven't gotten any to level 40 yet. Not yet been able to get one high enough to work with str. or dex. Level not been a problem yet. They start with much lower hits than most others, 70's to 80's average start with a fresh tame. Hits and strenght start so low guess that's why it takes so many to get one with decent hits AND strength.

Start with 2 level 30s and raise their hit points as high as you can, then just do what what I said in my last post.

That's a good suggestion Hara. I never thought about that loophole.

Wizzer, if you don't follow what he's getting at...lets say you manage to get two level 30 wild ozzies. So you start with Gen 1 Lvl 30 pets. By the fifth breeding (Gen 6) you'd most likely have two lvl 40's. The next breeding could potentially give you two Gen 7 lvl 43's...but, for the purpose of breeding, if you remember, the calculations don't include max level. They use current level instead. So you level your Gen 7 pets to level 40 of 43, then they should be able to breed again. You would then get two Gen 8 pets, with max level up to 43. Again, don't allow them to go past level 40 of 43, and breed again, to get two Gen 9 pets. This time you could level up to level 42 if you wish, but don't exceed level 42.

At this point, you'd be forced to downbreed because Gen 10 is the max, but I think we've discussed that in game before.


However, if your problem is not related to this so much as actually managing to get pets to level 40 in the first place...well, that could be a different issue and the possibilities that might cause that are too numerous for me to enumerate them all.

Are you sure that gen 10 is max?

I don't see it being an issue for people being able to make max pets, especially when in practical use you end up with about a 25% chance of stat loss. In the end it either takes for ever or takes ungodly amounts of gold to breed them. I easily spent 3 mil or so just getting 1 pair of pets to max.

gen 10 is max per Colibri. It may be a change that went along with the addition of limited breedings, that I'm not sure about.