No opinions?

[Melkor]

I respectfully disagree with the notion of creating a thread for complaining, temper tantrums, rumors and the like. If you visit an ice cream shop and you do not like their prices, their services or any other number of things you wish to rant about, they will most certainly kick you out of the store if you begin to rant. More so, they do not have a complaint board, or a complaint section on their website, where people can discuss all of the things they hate. Why? Because there is no need to regard negativity with any esteem. If one wants to make rants, throw temper tantrums, associate in rumor discussion, rebel against the authority, then they may do so on their own time, in their own facility, not on the owners time or in the owners facility. Nor would such things be made available upon "entering" the owners property. Now in cases in life where there is injustice, people will seek a place of refuge somewhere else, where they can discuss and argue and rant, and that is their right. But they do not have the right to do it here.

This domain name, this forum module and the ability to speak within this module are the property of +Colibri. He may choose as he will what is and is not allowed at any given moment. Though he is very reasonable, (sometimes too reasonable) and chooses to be most considerate, beyond anything he is wished to do. For he doesn't have to do anything he does not want to do. And equally he may do as he pleases and rightfully so, as this is his property. As for the game, it is also his property, as in the equipment that enables him to offer the game to the public belongs to him. He could remove the ability to access it and it would no longer be. He could remove the ability to access this domain name, and it would no longer be available, as it is his property, and he may do with it as he pleases.

I believe this is an important lesson for everyone to understand. I expect to get many replies about "freedom of speech" and "I know my rights", etc, however when it comes to entering someone else's property, you no longer have those rights. When you are entering the "door" of someone's home, you no longer have those rights because that is private property. This domain and it's entirety is private property with an open door. We allow the majority to enter in, but we still have 100% rights to do as we please. Now again, we do not take advantage of that. +Colibri is very considerate and will only execute certain procedures when he deems it necessary. It is his right to inact any rule, cease any conversation and revoke any person's invitation to "enter this door" as he sees fit.

I do hope very soon that everyone will be able to finally get this. It is such a tiring subject, and I really hate explaining things that are in fact common sense.

Goodnight Excelsior and sleep well. Rest your minds and your eyes.

+Rayne

Wow, I am so shocked. I made my post to try and calm the situation and offer a solution. I don't want +colibri to say, meh, its not worth the effort and close the shard. To that end, i made my post.

"temper tantrums, rumors and the like" - not sure I mentioned that in my post.

I thought a forum where staff and player could come together for some common ground would be a good thing. Perhaps even something to improve the shard's gameplay, or at least help reduce the chances of people feelings getting hurt.

I mentioned in my post the "here's what i think, no offense intended" concept. I'm horrified that this concept seems so unreasonable. Yes indeed it is +colibri's to do what he wishes, but clearly people just want to be able to give feedback, and often times feedback is a great tool for someone in a high position. But from what I'm reading out of your message is, Feedback is NOT appreciated. Please let me know if I am getting the wrong message.

Melkor

[Calan Caitin]

Respectfully... Everyone of you is missing the point. It is not a loner person bitching, it is not bitching about a place to bitch. It started as a plead to be be informed of rule changes, logistic changes, stat changes, monster changes or any other game play changes that would effect us players. Not how it would effect me and my profit as Coli so mildly put it. I would challenge Coli or any other staff to mention 1 time that i have mentioned and change that would benefit me alone and no other player. Instead of listening to my thoughts and other players' thoughts; you lock the thread stating you have no wish to hear any more. We players are who make your shard. Like it or not... WE are the ones, not you, who make the shard what it is. You added the content, you make the rule, you make the changes. WE make it home. All we ask for is recognition, to be informed and to be heard. Instead we get a rude locking and then hours later and updating to the rude locking and no further chance to reply? What in the hell are you thinking? If you don't mind my asking. Oh I'm sure my post is soon to be edited by staff as my jest of rear kissing was. Are you wanting this to be advertised as a family shard or an pre-school shard? It is really getting pretty ridiculous.

[fingers]

When you are entering the "door" of someone's home, you no longer have those rights because that is private property.
+Rayne

Granted that uoex is a private property owned by Colibri, it is opened to public, actually to anyone that wants to comply to the rules and participate to the community. A shard without players has no reason to be. Therfore, the player base is the most important asset any UO shard has to offer.

In this perspective, it is wise to receive feedback from the player base and make sure that as a whole, the community is happy. I saw some very active players leave the game because of changes uncalled for: karma and highroller to name a few. I know several others are thinking of finding a new UO home as well. Some stay but are so frustrated that they hardly ever participate/help anymore.

Most of the players here come from countries where freedom of speech is essential. I am not saying that Colibri should make changes every time a player makes a suggestion, but I think that every player should be allowed to make suggestions without having the fear of getting seen as a trouble maker or getting retaliation in game for saying things here (as long as they don't break the RoC).

I think it is extremely important that a change log including all the modifications is posted here. I think not doing so is a shady way of avoiding players to give their opinion about thoses changes and shows very little respect towards them. Again, I would like to remind that the player base is the most valuable asset of UOEX, or any other UO shard, for that matter.

Again, I strongly disagree with the attitude: if you are not happy, there are other shards you can go to." It shows very little respect towards what is the most important here: the players.

A private property does not have the front door opened with a sign: "free to come in for all". A private property won't ask you to donate to pay the mortgage, the electricity, and all other expenses. And If 20 persons come in your property and split in 20 all the expenses, make it that not only you don't need to pay for anything, but you make a profit as well; it is pretty rude from you, even if you hold the title of ownership of the house, to tell them to shut up or leave.

This is not a rant or anything like that, I thought I should speak up for the good of the community, as I want alot of happy and helpfull players to play with.

Thanks,

Fingers

[Calan Caitin]

I do have to admit... I did not read all of your posts. I don't know if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing. I don't know what +Rayne said. I couldn't even tell you what +Hina(forgive me) said when she was telling me a recent change that hasn't been posted was going to cost me 800k gold to move my NPCs. (Anyone else read about that charge?) Was I rude? I don't think so. Was I short mannered? Yes. Was it +Hina's fault? Definitely not. To that I apologize. Some may see this post as blowing something small out of proportion. I see this as something big that has been tried to made to look small. Such is the way of Tyranny. Empathy is the greatest ally of tyranny, not those of ill will.

[Kile Morgan]

Seems like every time a player or group of player makes a negative comment it goes this way. Examples: I state that events should be setup to include all and not just some types of players for example. I get to then listen to how I can't have the event for just me. Funny I clearly stated I wanted two things, newer players considered and it posted as promised in the forums. Nothing about me at all as I'm usually to unfocused to do them (and this is not me felling picked on just not clearly understood). A player ingame says an event is being abused. The two staff members Hina and Chaos then go into a rant about how they didn't have to do anything and events are a blessing they bestow(like those words better the what they used, less insulting) Hmmm weekly events are promised on the top 100 and 200. Not like I care about that part but it is used to lure new players. Players get upset about changes being dropped on them and get told basically this is his sandbox to do as he pleases. All fine and good except he opened it up to others and on several occasions asked for input. Also, I actually had a couple of problems with the same staff, when I had your attention +Colibri I said nothing at all about it just thanked you for the help. Why, because I just decided not to bother you since you lately can't stand hearing anything negative. It is frustrating to read if you have a problem with staff don't argue but take it up the line when you cut that line. I don't go out of my way to be rude, don't try to insult others so I expect the same(isn't that in the rules?) So when I do nothing I've been told was wrong, actually quite the opposite and get an insulting pm from staff member where do I go?

Other side. +Rayne comes in and hands out food. Just to be nice and what happens? She becomes a human vending machine. +Vertas busts his rear to do a rather interesting not event, more like moving show, a bit to high powered for many newer players but so is Fel itself, not like he dropped it in brit(excuse me Vertas but while I still think using your alter ego to invite people to brit was a mistake and still stand by my my statement he's a megalomaniac with a god complex I can be fair) +Colbri, how many hours a day do you work? How much time do you put into this place? How much sleep do you get a night? And also at least you bothered to look into my little problem rather then just tell me I'm wrong, go away.You were right helping players is part of the job but you and +Rayne actually treat it usually like that and not a perk to be abused. +Moca and +Jade, you deserve more votes but for the life of me I can't remember seeing either of you more then once. Still voted for one of you because of how long you took to help a new player who got stuck in Exec halls. Staff does things, players react negatively , staff feels the pile on(hey while I don't mean to I do it)

Go back and read some of my posts people. I don't kiss up to anyone. EVER. I've ripped into staff and players alike for bad behavior, even myself. Usually it's even deserved. Players are expected to be nice to each other, staff is expected to do the same. Too bad it always comes down to this. Veiled or overt insults. People being misunderstood or feeling piled on. Hey prove me wrong for a change. Honestly

And here are some hammers, I'll take the nails out of some of your hands so you finish up and get off your crosses. The whole Jesus complex thing is getting old. Not to mention unbecoming.

[Efanchenko_MM]

Sometimes it's the way things are said as to how they are taken, This isn't just aimed towards Calan, this is to everyone who feels flying of the handle is the best aproach, Step back take 5 minutes, The world isn't going anywhere.

I thought you first thread was way of the mark in my opinion Calan, if all you wanted was to see where the logs were for the new updates why not ask, there wasn't any need to be firing on all cyclinders, and there wasn't any need to bring in-game questions that could be dealt with through pages/PM's to staff.

The way you went about everything was the problem not the questioning of things on the shard.

There is a feature request section on the forums, that is for players to voice things that they would like to see, and for others to give insight too as well.

I'm not singling you out Calan, I'm not trying to belittle anyone, I hate seeing people demanding and stamping there feet to get what they want, That isn't showing maturity, that is being spoiled.

I don't want to be logging onto the forums everytime to see someone spitting there dummy out, if your question was asked in a more adult way I'm sure you would of had your answer solved a long time ago.

*As a side note, I'm pretty sure Colibri works his fingers to the bone with the shard, and also his personal life. I don't understand those people who think they are owed something from donating, or think they should have what they think added to the shard because of it, You donate money if you love the shard and want to make it last as long as we can, I would be happy to give Colibri money because I think through everything that a shard has going on all the time he has done a fantastic job.

Im think for Azure to say she is 'scared' she will get banned is rediculous unless she is guilty of something, I have seen players push and push and push at staff and not get banned, there is always a vaild reason for doing so I'm sure, So it's ludacris for something like that to be said.

[azure]

Im think for Azure to say she is 'scared' she will get banned is rediculous unless she is guilty of something, I have seen players push and push and push at staff and not get banned, there is always a vaild reason for doing so I'm sure, So it's ludacris for something like that to be said.

Go ahead a think that it is ludacris and rediculous, but IT IN FACT DID HAPPEN and there are any here who know. I was banned along with Calan when they didn't like something the he did. As, for everything else you said, we are all entitled to our opinions. I just came to correct the facts.

[+Colibri]

I didn't intentionally not-post the changes you know (shard patches).
As for this thread, I don't think it will produce any results. On most forums, when a thread is locked it's frowned upon to open a second one. Though one can argue that it's a separate issue. Also, no point about essays from dozens of people... all i can do whole day long is to read them and reply and nothing gets done.

Initial thread here:
http://www.uoex.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17532#p17532

Otherwise I have a cool solution.
1. Go to www.runuo.com, we have 1.0 but since 2.0 is out i recommend you download that.
2. Spend all of your free time for a few months adding stuff from the forums and coding your own.
3. Get about 50 people to play.
4. Enjoy the rewarding feeling you get when after you fix 5 things, 10 more arise.
5. Do that for a few years

But you're welcome to *play* the *game* here on our shard.

And yes, the shard is here so that it can be enjoyed. Wouldn't be any fun if nobody played. So input is necessary and welcome... it's hard to explain though, you best use the strategy above to understand what i'm saying.