Another type of relayer

[Iltar]

I tried a new type of relayer, so maybe other players will be interested how it works.
Most players relayer weapons with strength like BC/Titan hammers or SOT. It is known that Titan hammers have 15 str and give more hp than all other relayers, except grand auction Ancient Titan Hammers which are very expensive. Also if you have high +Enhanced potion from relayers, then each 25% of EP will give 7.5 bonus hp for 2 minutes after drinking greater strength potion.
I don't have too many Titan Hammers lying around so I tried other type of relayer: ecru citrine ring. These are crafted rings that have interesting stats and can have +8str, +5 hp, 75% enhanced potions + dex/sdi/etc.
So one Titan hammer relayer with 15 str bonus give +30.5 hp, or +38 hp if you put 25% Enhanced potions on it and drink greater strength potion. And ecru citrine ring give +17hp base, or +39.5 hp if you drink greater strength potion.
I relayered 5 of these rings month ago and want to share how it works.
This is example of ecru citrine ring relayer.

So without potion, ecru citring ring obviously gives only 17 hp which is quite low, but I still have 513 hp in my suit which is enough for 98% content on shard. And if I drink potion, I have 708 hp which is better number and can help to kill those few hard-hitting mobs. Of course it is not very convinient to drink potions that last 2 minutes, but I have hotkey for removing shield, drinking potion from keg in HBOH and wearing shield again which works fast enough. With current content I only drink potion for hydras in Prism of Light, minos in Labyrinth, Flesh Eating dragon in Bedlam, maybe for Toxic Elementals in Paroxy Palace, for one mob in fel Wrong dungeon, and sometimes in s'gail for big groups of mobs. It helps to have higher hp noticably in these places, and 2 minutes that one potion lasts is enough to kill most dangerous mobs.
Of course I'm not saying that these ring relayers are better, because with Titan Hammers less need to drink potions, which is convinient. But these relayers are way cheaper and now I have little motivation to change these ecru citring rings to Titan Hammers. Maybe only for mana/stamina bonus, but I don't lack these stats in my suit in practice. Especially if ring additionally has SDI(12-13% max I think) and dex bonus.
These rings are quite expensive to craft because each ring requires 10 ecru citrine gems, and really good rings are crafted rarely after ton of gold spent on gems. I didn't measure but I think each ring costed me 200-400ed to craft which is notable sum, but still way less than 2k ed for Titan Hammer, which also needs removing arty tag, levelling, and even then titan hammers are rarely being sold on market.
Of course I hope that more content will be added, and better Titan Hammer relayers will be really needed, but as of current content, I have little trouble killing all existing mobs with my suit.

[Gaara]

Very interesting "experiment"

I'm always up for non-meta relayer suits as you don't really need BC or even Titan's for anything on the shard (if you relayer a looted weapon with no stats on every slot you'll end up with enough high stats for anything and even with leftover points). I personally only use one Ecru Citrine ring if i feel like using potions (which i'm very lazy to use since all the content on the shard either has a chance to one shot me or can't touch me).

Do you mind posting your stats gump buffed & unbuffed and listing what your other gear pieces are?

[Nick]

Didn't know about these rings, 75% is a lot better then the 25% you can get on Relayer. I will have to fool around and maybe make my self a ring/brace/ear set.

[Iltar]

Indeed can kill all those mobs with much less hp, but then need to use bow/imps/rez stones, so it's still good to have higher hp to farm them faster and easier. Drinking strength potions is not very convinient of course, but now I just drink one potion before mob and kill it easily, then mostly I don't need to watch when strength bonus will end and refresh it. If there been places where hard-hitting mobs would stay one after another(and have good reward for reason to kill them often), then titan hammer would really be better than efforts to keep str bonus up all the time.
My gear is just simple relayers 8str/8hp, one titan hammer, SOT shield(Enhance potions doesn't work on shield), black belt, jewel of winter and azurite ring(it has healing skill bonus so I don't actually wear ecru citrine ring in ring slot) + 5 ecru citring ring relayers. I don't use Cloak of Mist/sash of fog now also.
These are stats without buf:

With greater strength potion:

Another item worth noting is bow:

Main thing is that this bow has whirlwind/double strike specials, which is unusual for bows. Originally MaDDneS used such bow first afaik. Specials are changed with weapon specials change deed from auction. Whirlwind can attack 8 adjacent mobs right next to me, and if no mobs close it shoots one arrow to one distant mob. It's really convinient not to switch from whirlwind weapon to double shot yumi for single targets(who run away often), because its enough to just switch attacking special. Also bow uses only one arrow even when attacks several targets.
So MaDDneS's recipe is to:
take very good default weapon
use weapon type change deed to transform it to that strong bow with 19-22 base damage(don't remember how it called)
use change weapon specials deed to put whirlwind special and something single-target

Also I put double strike on this bow not double shot, because double shot works only when you are mounted. Double strike does little less physical damage than double shot but imo its more universal for places where mounts disabled or mobs who dismount you with special.
Only thing I regret a bit is putting some magic arrow on bow because its very weak. If I done it now, I'd put all left points to stamina leech because I don't like divine fury delays - they can be bad when you are under mortal strike and need to leech hp constantly.
Anyway I can recommend such bow with whirlwind because it makes hunting much easier for sure.

[Muolke]

Indeed can kill all those mobs with much less hp, but then need to use bow/imps/rez stones, so it's still good to have higher hp to farm them faster and easier. Drinking strength potions is not very convinient of course, but now I just drink one potion before mob and kill it easily, then mostly I don't need to watch when strength bonus will end and refresh it. If there been places where hard-hitting mobs would stay one after another(and have good reward for reason to kill them often), then titan hammer would really be better than efforts to keep str bonus up all the time.
My gear is just simple relayers 8str/8hp, one titan hammer, SOT shield(Enhance potions doesn't work on shield), black belt, jewel of winter and azurite ring(it has healing skill bonus so I don't actually wear ecru citrine ring in ring slot) + 5 ecru citring ring relayers. I don't use Cloak of Mist/sash of fog now also.

How is your damage so high? It shows 86-100 with 316 STR...

I have 402 STR with an Ancient Yumi and i'm at 86-96...but I have STR that is 86 points higher.

What's not adding up?

[pekto]

he used a weapon change deed to change his ancient yumi to a different one that has 19-22 base damage

[Muolke]

he used a weapon change deed to change his ancient yumi to a different one that has 19-22 base damage

Ohhhh now I see. 19-22 base and 27 speed which is a bit better. What kind of bow is it?

[pekto]

elven bow i forgot the exact name but theres a player owned house in tram serpents hold east wall there a bunch of bow there look it up

[Muolke]

elven bow i forgot the exact name but theres a player owned house in tram serpents hold east wall there a bunch of bow there look it up

Elven Composite Longbow - the special abilities suck so you should only do it if you get the deed at auction to change those.