About the market section

[Muolke]

You're called MOULKESHAKE and you spam a cow macro saying moo. and im childish? Oh my days. LOL.

I wont be responding to you again, youre on my ignore list on here too. Have fun.

My name is Muolke thank you very much. Spelled just like that. Instead of ignoring me why not do everyone a favor and just quit the server?

[Charon]

I find it hilarious how all the spammers stuck up for each other. Go sell your overpriced crap with 10 active sale threads and stop chatting ****.

Youre selfish, just own it and deal with it.

Easy there Aerith.
Taking it a bit too far now.

Maybe take a few minutes to sit down and reflect before going off on the forums. Take a breath.

You call out people accusing them of being selfish for making a couple posts to sell their items, call out others for sticking up for each other and tell them to stop talking (insert swear here).

Right there you broke 2 rules for calling out players and then censoring a swear.
What you did do correctly is adding a person to your ignore list and will be refraining from engaging them.

I trust this matter is closed.

[Aerith]

Would you not get begin to get pissed off that whenever i post anything i get harrassed by the same individuals?

Go read my post in this thread, the very first one, where did i say any names or have a go at anyone directly. I gave a solution to the problem the original poster pointed out. Then immediately i get hounded, directly, by you and Moulke. Same has happened in other threads too. Its a joke tbh. You're not going to bully me, so just give up. I dont care if ive been here for 5 days or 5 years, you are not above me. Were all equals on this shard. Do you discriminate blacks and hispanics too? Go read for yourself the responses i get whenever i post anything.

Having 5+ open WTS/WTB sell threads is selfish, noone can deny that surely? You're basically saying, only my threads can be on the main page, noone elses. Then when i point out its selfish i get ganged upon by the usual people.

[Muolke]

Having 5+ open WTS/WTB sell threads is selfish, noone can deny that surely? You're basically saying, only my threads can be on the main page, noone elses. Then when i point out its selfish i get ganged upon by the usual people.

Honestly? How is having 5 threads in a sub-forum made specifically for buying and selling things considered selfish? The oldest thread on the first page is 41 days old. That's nearly 6 weeks that a single thread has sat on the first page. It's not like there's hundreds of people posting there every day.

[Charon]

Would you not get begin to get pissed off that whenever i post anything i get harrassed by the same individuals?

Go read my post in this thread, the very first one, where did i say any names or have a go at anyone directly. I gave a solution to the problem the original poster pointed out. Then immediately i get hounded, directly, by you and Moulke. Same has happened in other threads too. Its a joke tbh. You're not going to bully me, so just give up. I dont care if ive been here for 5 days or 5 years, you are not above me. Were all equals on this shard. Do you discriminate blacks and hispanics too? Go read for yourself the responses i get whenever i post anything.

Having 5+ open WTS/WTB sell threads is selfish, noone can deny that surely? You're basically saying, only my threads can be on the main page, noone elses. Then when i point out its selfish i get ganged upon by the usual people.

Wow, dude, now you're implying I'm racist? Hahaha
Please tell me when +C see this.

No one is bullying you and what adult uses the term "bullying" in the first place?
I "hounded" on this post and on your first ever one because you needed to be corrected, being mere hrs old does not give you the right to bash this shard, heck a bunch of people including +C had a discussion with you about it.

So again take a breath and relax.

[Charon]

P.s.

I have commented 3 whole times (not including this thread)to your 220+ posts. Hardly bashing you "every time" you post.
And I did re-read your original post. Probably the most ignorant thing I have ever seen a new player say.

Anyways.. I think everyone has seen enough drama, God knows I have.

[Wil]

Bottom line is, people are selfish and think they own the shard and own the forums, thus having many active threads open at the same time.

Boss, get off your high horse. When you have something new to say you start a new thread. That's how forums generally work. Could Mr. CAPS LOCK do a better job with his posts? Sure. But I don't hear consensus for changing the way forums work and you definitely haven't convinced me.

[Johnny Warren]

I personally thought it was a good idea Gaara. As someone who rarely opens the forum proper and just reads the recent posts through the main page constant new threads and people opening multiple threads, sometimes just to re promote the same item they've previously tried to sell, makes it harder to track from the main page.

[Muolke]

Bottom line is, people are selfish and think they own the shard and own the forums, thus having many active threads open at the same time.

Boss, get off your high horse. When you have something new to say you start a new thread. That's how forums generally work. Could Mr. CAPS LOCK do a better job with his posts? Sure. But I don't hear consensus for changing the way forums work and you definitely haven't convinced me.

Mr CAPS LOCK? Oh come on...I even changed my name back to Muolke the other day to make you guys happy

[Aerith]

Just taking about market section Wil. Ive played dozens of online games that use forums and i dont think ive seen 1 where people can have 5 active threads open at once. Even on games as small as this. Its 1 post per person in the market places and 1 bump in a 24 hr period. That allows other peoples posts to stay on the main page. =fairness

[Johnny Warren]

I like Gaaras idea, but I don't think it needs to be enforced. I think that if everyone just goes easy on spamming threads and doesn't bump too frequently then we should all get on fine. As Aerith pointed out lots of games do have moderators and rules for post limits. I don't think we need to have rules. +C has done a good job keeping our rules to a minimum and cultivating a positive, friendly community, where community standards keep people in line, not rules.

That's why guys like michellancello and the other vendor scammers get discussed by the rest of us because to an extent we self moderate. We should continue to self moderate. All just chill, stop posting for every single item u need to sell, use minimal threads and bumping to give everyone fair coverage, stop using all caps (We read you just fine in lower case) and lastly, don't whine if someone posts too often or uses caps to SCREAM THAT THEIR BC IS FOR SALE FOR ONLY 20000 EDZ ...

*Locked*

[Athena Tenebris]

I like Gaara's buy/sell post. Though I do not think a rule needs to be in place for this; but it is clean and very easy to see what he is selling and buying.

Everyone should do what they think they feel is right for them within the existing rules of course.

And hopefully everyone can stay on the topic of the intended discussion here

[Slartibartfast]

Wow, can you really not see any reason someone might do that other than selfishness? Just because you don't agree with the way someone else does something, it doesn't mean there are selfish motives behind it. No need to be abrasive about it. This happens to be the only market forum I've ever used (I'm used to IRL marketplaces where there are usually separate posts for each item), so I have no clue what "generally known" etiquette is involved. I definitely don't like being accused of selfishness for doing something I had no clue was annoying some people.

That said, I can see from some of the more civil replies here why the buy/sell lists would be preferred by some buyers. I don't personally feel like the reasons given apply here since no one's posts are being buried on page 2+ and I doubt the intent is to bury anyone, or any other ill intent. I can see how this may have become an issue years back when there was probably more activity in the market but is it really an issue now?

So THAT said, the reason I've been doing new posts is that as a buyer I prefer seeing a new post for each item or set of items with a related subject rather than the ongoing posts with updated buy/sell that don't tell me what the items are in the subject. It's so much faster to know what the post is about and either open it or not based on the subject. When I shop on Walmart or Amazon, I don't search for a seller and look at all their items. I scan the front page to see if specific items catch my eye or I use the search bar. Likewise, here in the forum I rarely open the "so-and-so's buy/sell list" posts because they don't catch my eye and I also don't want to search through the items. My loss, I'm sure there are items in them that I'd like to buy but I usually won't even see them.

I see it as a matter of preference that one person doesn't need to enforce on those who see it differently. I feel like posting individual items or a few related items in separate posts is easier to browse and cleaner all-around for myself as a buyer. Others feel like ongoing buy/sell lists are are more orderly and fair. Walmart and Amazon make both methods (shopping by item or by seller) available since different people shop differently.

I really do appreciate those who have discussed this civilly, though. I had no idea I was annoying anyone, so I'm glad it was brought to my attention so I can consider that while I decide how to post in the future.

[Argyle]

Too long, didn't read.
At the end of the day, the forums, especially the market forum, are dead.
People should not be complaining about new posts.

Personally I find 'bump' as annoying as new threads, BUT I find that, as the forum keeps track of what I've seen before, there is no real functional difference between the methods. However, it'd be nice to have a thread that doesn't get hijacked by certain people fighting. Get a room somewhere and figure it out in private.

[Muolke]

Wow, can you really not see any reason someone might do that other than selfishness? Just because you don't agree with the way someone else does something, it doesn't mean there are selfish motives behind it. No need to be abrasive about it. This happens to be the only market forum I've ever used (I'm used to IRL marketplaces where there are usually separate posts for each item), so I have no clue what "generally known" etiquette is involved. I definitely don't like being accused of selfishness for doing something I had no clue was annoying some people.

That said, I can see from some of the more civil replies here why the buy/sell lists would be preferred by some buyers. I don't personally feel like the reasons given apply here since no one's posts are being buried on page 2+ and I doubt the intent is to bury anyone, or any other ill intent. I can see how this may have become an issue years back when there was probably more activity in the market but is it really an issue now?

You hit the nail on the head Billy. If you look at the first page of the market section it contains threads up to 43 days old. Nobody is doing anything to bump others posts out of the first page. There's so little activity that it's sad actually.

The person who says that we're "selfish" because we have a few posts in the market section is just clueless. He likes to complain about everything. I've actually never met someone in a game that complains as much about everything as he does. I don't think he actually knows the definition of selfish, or spam, or any other word he's hurled around at other players.

All I know is that if I was as miserable as he is playing on this shard i'd probably go back to the shard I was playing before this one. Since he said he was playing on other shards for 10 years. You don't like something you leave. Right?

It's fine to offer suggestions, I do it all the time. But I don't think there needs to be a rule for every little thing. If what you're doing isn't negatively impacting others then what's the problem? The market section is to list items. If you're listing 100 deco items then yes they should probably be all in the same thread. If you're listing individual items such as a weapon etc then you want the title to say what it is that you have so that someone doesn't have to scroll thru 100 other items to see if they have something that interests them. It's like Ebay listings...the title says it all.