Tokuno Minor Artifacts

[Calan Caitin]

Any chance we could either get the drop rate lowered abit or possibly a way block it altogether for Tokuno minors? My normal suit has over 3500 luck on it and I can fill my pack with the minors in no time hunting in Tokuno. It'd be different if they dropped better items or could be turned in for better items, but as it is, it's just more of a bother to throw em in the trash or on the ground/corpses.

[Qualance]

i observed when i killed pk ninjas, shadowdancer (am i right ), rune beetle, tsuki wolf(if you dont mind negative karma) i had more change to get tokuno artifacts.
sometimes its drop about 20 killing, sometimes 3 are drop about 20 killing its a change but luck increased it.

[Orbit Storm]

Well.. I don't have nearly that high of luck, so I wouldn't really know quite what its like having my pack filled with em..

However, reducing the drop rate of artifacts to cater to one person who has a much higher ability of collecting them than a newer player.. just doesn't make sense.

Why not use Razor's Organizer feature? Agents > Organizer-1

Set a hot bag to collect all those arties and then when you're done, use: Agents > Sell

This way.. you can hunt, collect them.. sell them.. without much more than a few clicks of the mouse, and without sacrificing everyone elses chance at collecting them..

Just a thought..

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As a few afterthought pointers:

-Keep in mind, you will need to "Add (Target)" one of each artifact.. Otherwise you'll end up trading in all of the "Destroyers" you collected and leaving all the "Exilers" you've collected, still in your pack/hot bag.

-If you don't wish to be bothered with setting up the aforementioned macro.. you could always offer them up to newer players who have a much higher use for them?

-Chances are.. this isn't "legal".. (See: Prohibited Activities) but you could always set your trash bag as the "hot bag" in Razor? Like I said.. it could probably be considered a violation of the shard codex, so I'd recommend clearing it with staff first..

-OR.. to reduce chances of tons of tokens.. you could just trash the entire hot bag once its filled. But I still like the thought of at least giving them away.

[Calan Caitin]

Yeah, because all the new players are after those elite Tokuno artis. There are only a couple that are worth anything and there is an over abundance of all of them on vendors currently. I doubt there would be any complaints over having the drop rate of the minors decreased a bit and more likely more players would be happy because perhaps the value of the few decent ones would increase.

[Orbit Storm]

The sarcasm is duly noted..

And you make a valid point. But your opinion of the minor arties doesn't necessarily cover that of all players.

To poke a small hole in your theory though.. You claim that reducing the drop rate would increase the value of the few "decent" ones. But see.. most people sell the decent ones and trade in the worthless ones for major arties.. Wouldn't you technically be unbalancing the whole minor for major system? The drops are completely random.. I've gotten 4 of the same item back to back..

Plus.. the majors are clearly worth more.. reducing the minors reduces the amount of majors.. thereby lessening the chances of newer players.

Essentially your whole concept falls under "new players have it too easy, let's cut off their ability to make gold". I could be being a bit to presumptuous in that statement.. but as I said.. complying with your request would only make it difficult on newer players to appease your desire to not have to deal with them.

Doesn't even out too well if you think about it..

[Calan Caitin]

I don't recall mentioning anything about "new players have it too easy, let's make it harder on them". I believe I am quite able to speak for myself on what I think and don't need your assistance in adding your thoughts into it. Lowering the drop rate doesnt skew anything. It still takes 10 minors to equal 1 major. The major arti returned has always been random and that doesn't change. It will just make less of BOTH minors and majors given out. Hence the reason the value of the only couple decent ones would increase. Makes sense if YOU think about it.

[Orbit Storm]

Wow.. the hostility is most certainly not needed... You posted an idea/thought; leaving it open to discussion/debate. I think maybe you need to take a step back, or maybe some time away from the forum before coming off with such contentious replies. I was merely offering some ideas to resolve your apparent dilemma. If that's such a problem, maybe you should consider submitting your ideas to staff privately, rather than posting them on a public forum.

No, you may not have said anything involving new players have it too easy.. But you're requesting items to be reduced because you feel as though you can't be bothered to get rid of the extra minors you so vainly consider worthless. And yes, lowering the drop rate of minors does "skew" things a bit.. it obviously lowers how often the majors are obtained, as you've stated. But according to you, that's better, but I'm not so convinced of that.

Any chance we could either get the drop rate lowered abit or possibly a way block it altogether for Tokuno minors? My normal suit has over 3500 luck on it and I can fill my pack with the minors in no time hunting in Tokuno. It'd be different if they dropped better items or could be turned in for better items, but as it is, it's just more of a bother to throw em in the trash or on the ground/corpses.

In your original post, you mentioned nothing of your idea being for the betterment of the economy. You suggested getting rid of them altogether! You only threw that whole notion in after I offered my very friendly thoughts and advice, and you retorted with your ridiculous aggression.

You're quite capable of speaking for yourself, as am I. But you're suggesting something be changed on the server, and I am, (as of this moment), against it. Don't suggest changes on the server and expect everyone to jump on your bandwagon. I'm not here to have a flame war with you.. but don't think for one second I will tolerate mindless disrespect.

[+Colibri]

Tokuno arties in doom are a bug... i've attempted to fix it two times already and it didnt take, and i've forgotten about since.

I've put it on my todo list as a priorty (will take some more time into checking out why this even happens, because i remember that the code is solid).

[+Colibri]

Ok i've done several theoretic and also practical tests, the theoretic tests suggested it's not possible to get an artie in doom (the general dungeon area or the gauntlet), and by killing the dark father approx 30 times (probably most chance to drop something since it's the most powerful) I didn't get anything...

If you get another tokuno arty in doom, please reply to this thread... where exactly did you get it, what kind of monster you killed, and what was the time (type [time to see the current shard time).


Keep this on topic. Any flaming replies will be deleted.

[qspace]

Me and red got some tokuno arties in gauntlet. i got the peasant bokuto killing the Fleshrenderer. around 1:20am PST