Since I have started to play, I have seen several nerfs regarding ways to get money in game. To name a few, Balrons, Beehives, champ spawns, Mage Inquisiton spawn, ability to level weapons, using biopets in fel, etc.
Everytime there is such a nerf, I am a little bit sad for two reasons: first, a perfect noob, who happens to have money (or parents that have money) can donate a few dollars and be instantly rich. At the current rate, someone donating 20$ can sell his EDs and get a 10-20 mil boost, not taking in account the different donation bonuses that can come with the donation (dyetubs, shoes, personal world teleporter). Secondly, I really think that the time used to tweek thoses nerfs should be used to repair important things such as special moves on weapons: lightning arrow, serpent arrow, bladeweave, defense mastery... and to add drops that are needed to craft items wich you need the recepie for: (lard of paroxysmus).
Well I see players using world teleporters since at least a year. I already knew that it was possible to use them to get out of Bedlam, while it is impossible to recall out of there without using it (you need to click on librairy, skull and sit on chair to get out). But today, I red that theses world teleporters can be used to recall to felucca. Thoses world teleporters being a "donation bonus", I have no words to say how much I am discussed about the way the players that can't donate are treated vs the ones who can donate.
As I said before, I am absolutely against any more nerf in this game. So I am not asking that the world teleporter be modified to prevent fel recalling. Instead, I would suggest, as a repair for players who have ran on foot for years in fel, or used hundreds of powders of translocation, that everyone receives a world teleporter or that it is made possible from this day to mark and teleport in fel.
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Tahris Nayloc
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Re: Recalling in Fel!
I use a Personal World Teleporter regularly and it's identical to the normal ones in terms of the menu. It can be used to get out of fel in many places though if you can't recall out usually you can't use the PWT either. The only way it can be used to get into fel is the same way as a normal teleporter, which takes you to the fel entrance.
Re: Recalling in Fel!
Hi, yeah I can understand the frustration of your situation.
I work 5-6 Days a week and don’t have much time to play. Personally I’ve been playing UO for nearly 12 years (been playing since it first came out) I’ve trained nearly ever skill from scratch (Many skills over and over again). So when I moved to this shard I didn’t want to train or macro every skill over again. When I do get the chance I wanted to be able to do the things I want to do in a limited time. So grinding for cash or skills isn’t my idea of fun (I have to do that in the real world). So if I donate I help the shard pay it’s bills and if I sell eds it helps other players who don’t have £ to donate and allows them to buy ED items.
I agree that donating character shouldn’t be treated any different and Colibri is very good at making sure that doesn’t happen. Though if players don’t donate the shard might no exist.
This just my prospective on things
I work 5-6 Days a week and don’t have much time to play. Personally I’ve been playing UO for nearly 12 years (been playing since it first came out) I’ve trained nearly ever skill from scratch (Many skills over and over again). So when I moved to this shard I didn’t want to train or macro every skill over again. When I do get the chance I wanted to be able to do the things I want to do in a limited time. So grinding for cash or skills isn’t my idea of fun (I have to do that in the real world). So if I donate I help the shard pay it’s bills and if I sell eds it helps other players who don’t have £ to donate and allows them to buy ED items.
I agree that donating character shouldn’t be treated any different and Colibri is very good at making sure that doesn’t happen. Though if players don’t donate the shard might no exist.
This just my prospective on things
Re: Recalling in Fel!
My bad then, the way I red it in global chat, I was under the impression it made it possible to recal in Fel. World teleporter is just fine thenTah'ris Nayloc wrote:I use a Personal World Teleporter regularly and it's identical to the normal ones in terms of the menu. It can be used to get out of fel in many places though if you can't recall out usually you can't use the PWT either. The only way it can be used to get into fel is the same way as a normal teleporter, which takes you to the fel entrance.
As for Mogster, I hear you and your points are very good. I do think that getting rich in UOEX thru donation still causes an imbalance between players who can't donate and thoses who can, as the equation "can donate, so doesn't have spare time to build his character" is not always true. Some can donate and still be pretty active, while some others can't donate and don't have alot of spare time. For the last category, getting the skills up there and building a good suit will probably take years.
Just my point of view;-)
Re: Recalling in Fel!
Yeah they are also very good points.
I suppose that with enough grinding everything is possible and donating gives the short term advantage but in the long term everyone can get to that point with enough gold.
I think overall its the best of a bad situation and it never going to please everyone. As in life the advantage will always be with the people who have lots of time or resource or both.
Mogster
I suppose that with enough grinding everything is possible and donating gives the short term advantage but in the long term everyone can get to that point with enough gold.
I think overall its the best of a bad situation and it never going to please everyone. As in life the advantage will always be with the people who have lots of time or resource or both.
Mogster
Re: Recalling in Fel!
A big part of my incomfort is that 2 years ago, it was easyer to get gold in game (balrons @5000+ a kill, mage inquis quest without a timer, 6 scrolls for any champ, no matter the number of players participating, beehives production not limited, easy access to oaks champ spawn for Harrowers, etc.) while the price of Ed's was at 30k per. Meanwhile, alot of efforts has been done to make it harder to get gold in game, while the value of Ed's went up to 60k - 100k per.
If the way it was set before was somewhat acceptable (necessary to pay the bills), I feel that today, the reward it gives is out of proportion with the time it would take to acquire it in game. That being said, according to the amount of dyetubs I see in circulation every month (10$ each), we probably have a gold plated with diamond incrusted server atm, as here is how the donation policy works here:
"All the funds gathered with donations go exclusively for covering server costs, upgrading speed, adding new services and features. Remember that the word "donation" describes an act of giving money without expecting anything in return, however in appreciation and promotion of donating for the server, you also get a reward for the kind gesture."
As for the part of "without expecting anything in return", I think only a fool would say that the way it works atm, players donate without expectations. Mogler clearly stated above that the reason he donates is that he doesn't have time to actually "gold or skill grind".
I red a suggestion that, imo, would help alot to keep the Ed economy to a reasonable level, therefore assuring a better balance between the players that can donated and the ones who can't. It was mentionned to add a stone in Trinsic for players to buy Eds. If the price of one Ed was, lets say 50k, it would prevent donators to overly exploit thoses who can't donate while still giving them a big enough incentive to keep donating, especially for players like Mogler, who can afford the cost, but not the time online. I think the most dedicated and performant players here will grind an average of 2.5 mil a day, if they play 8-16 hours. A 10$ donation for 100 Eds (5 mil) and a unidytub would be little for thoses who can afford it, the benefit of it (saving at least 16 hours of gold grinding) being already huge!
In the present context, saying that the donations are made without the expectation of a reward is flat out hypocrit imo, and I hope something is done to stop that unequal paralel economy non-sens. I am expecting your respectfull and unbiased comments
Polar Bear
If the way it was set before was somewhat acceptable (necessary to pay the bills), I feel that today, the reward it gives is out of proportion with the time it would take to acquire it in game. That being said, according to the amount of dyetubs I see in circulation every month (10$ each), we probably have a gold plated with diamond incrusted server atm, as here is how the donation policy works here:
"All the funds gathered with donations go exclusively for covering server costs, upgrading speed, adding new services and features. Remember that the word "donation" describes an act of giving money without expecting anything in return, however in appreciation and promotion of donating for the server, you also get a reward for the kind gesture."
As for the part of "without expecting anything in return", I think only a fool would say that the way it works atm, players donate without expectations. Mogler clearly stated above that the reason he donates is that he doesn't have time to actually "gold or skill grind".
I red a suggestion that, imo, would help alot to keep the Ed economy to a reasonable level, therefore assuring a better balance between the players that can donated and the ones who can't. It was mentionned to add a stone in Trinsic for players to buy Eds. If the price of one Ed was, lets say 50k, it would prevent donators to overly exploit thoses who can't donate while still giving them a big enough incentive to keep donating, especially for players like Mogler, who can afford the cost, but not the time online. I think the most dedicated and performant players here will grind an average of 2.5 mil a day, if they play 8-16 hours. A 10$ donation for 100 Eds (5 mil) and a unidytub would be little for thoses who can afford it, the benefit of it (saving at least 16 hours of gold grinding) being already huge!
In the present context, saying that the donations are made without the expectation of a reward is flat out hypocrit imo, and I hope something is done to stop that unequal paralel economy non-sens. I am expecting your respectfull and unbiased comments
Polar Bear
Re: Recalling in Fel!
Fingers, this is not meant as a flame in any way, flaming is like gossip, just a waste of time. This is just an observation and my opinion on a few of your comments.
I've been watching the forms for a good four months or so, and have noticed several of your posts regarding EDs. The feeling I get from your posts is that you have put a lot of game time into your character to become "elite" and it seems to really bother you that someone can come along, fresh to the shard, make a few donations and become “elite” in a very short time. My advice to you, in a friendly way is, get over it. That is the way the shard is, many people are happy with the arrangement, many people aren’t and you can’t please everybody. Besides, its just a game. If you want to be revered as one of the “elite” maybe play on a different shard that doesn’t offer these short cuts, or a shard that has skill and stat gains more similar to OSI. That being said. I believe you are still revered as being one of the “elite” anyways. The community is small enough to know who has just started and became powerful. It’s hard to describe, but you can tell who has been around for years and who hasn’t. And, BTW, I hope you continue to keep playing here, you’re a great addition to the shard in my opinion.
Regarding your comments about the shard’s wording of donations being intended to be made without expectations of anything in return. I believe this statement is made more for a legal purpose rather than a practical purpose. Playing on a player run shard runs a fine line with the law, my understanding is origin (I think it’s origin makes and runs OSI UO) has not been active in taking legal action against the player run shards as yet. That being said, if I was running a player run shard, having some key words and phrases regarding the donation policy and expectations is probably just a good idea. Players calling attention to these key words and phrases and challenging them does not seem like a good idea, and are certainly not helpful.
Your comments about our server being gold and diamond encrusted. I think it’s clear what you are suggesting. If what you’re suggesting is true then I say, so be it. Just like my above comment, calling attention to this, in my opinion, is not a good idea if you like playing here. Maybe I’m just paranoid, but that’s the way I am. How does that saying go, “don’t rock the boat, especially if you are in it.” I’m happy to have a place to play that I enjoy, I have never played OSI but I can’t imagine it being as good as this.
One more time Fingers, please don’t take this the wrong way, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, at the same time, I felt I needed to express my opinion on the matters being discussed.
Peace out!
I've been watching the forms for a good four months or so, and have noticed several of your posts regarding EDs. The feeling I get from your posts is that you have put a lot of game time into your character to become "elite" and it seems to really bother you that someone can come along, fresh to the shard, make a few donations and become “elite” in a very short time. My advice to you, in a friendly way is, get over it. That is the way the shard is, many people are happy with the arrangement, many people aren’t and you can’t please everybody. Besides, its just a game. If you want to be revered as one of the “elite” maybe play on a different shard that doesn’t offer these short cuts, or a shard that has skill and stat gains more similar to OSI. That being said. I believe you are still revered as being one of the “elite” anyways. The community is small enough to know who has just started and became powerful. It’s hard to describe, but you can tell who has been around for years and who hasn’t. And, BTW, I hope you continue to keep playing here, you’re a great addition to the shard in my opinion.
Regarding your comments about the shard’s wording of donations being intended to be made without expectations of anything in return. I believe this statement is made more for a legal purpose rather than a practical purpose. Playing on a player run shard runs a fine line with the law, my understanding is origin (I think it’s origin makes and runs OSI UO) has not been active in taking legal action against the player run shards as yet. That being said, if I was running a player run shard, having some key words and phrases regarding the donation policy and expectations is probably just a good idea. Players calling attention to these key words and phrases and challenging them does not seem like a good idea, and are certainly not helpful.
Your comments about our server being gold and diamond encrusted. I think it’s clear what you are suggesting. If what you’re suggesting is true then I say, so be it. Just like my above comment, calling attention to this, in my opinion, is not a good idea if you like playing here. Maybe I’m just paranoid, but that’s the way I am. How does that saying go, “don’t rock the boat, especially if you are in it.” I’m happy to have a place to play that I enjoy, I have never played OSI but I can’t imagine it being as good as this.
One more time Fingers, please don’t take this the wrong way, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, at the same time, I felt I needed to express my opinion on the matters being discussed.
Peace out!
TDC Guild
Re: Recalling in Fel!
Thanks Melkor for your post! And be sure I appreciate it alot as with respectfull discussion, we get to share our points of view and maybe understand each other a little bit more.
First, as for other players being "elite" or myself for that matter, I have 0 motivation for this. Of course, I am proud of where I am regarding my skills and equipement, and I am quite sure that I would not be as happy about it if I happened to pay for a shortcut (Ed's) to get them. So 0 jealousy there, you can trust me for that.
The problem, as I said yesterday, is the huge imbalance between the donation and the reward. Yesterday again, someone was spamming: selling 100 eds for 8 millions. I sincerly felt like vomiting. As I said, not so long ago, in a world where gold was easier to farm, the same 100 Eds would have been sold at 3,5 mil tops. Several changes have been made to control the economy on the gold side, while 0 changes have been made to control the Ed economy. The fix I see to this is to sell Eds on a vendor stone, at a price that makes sens (35-50k per), wich will prevent donators to exploit the players that can't donate by making a unreasonable profit over something they "donated" (without expectation of a reward). For many who dont have the time or the will to grind gold or train skills, it will still be worth to make the donations and therefore bringing the necessary money to maintain the server online.
From a law point of view, the mention: "the word "donation" describes an act of giving money without expecting anything in return" has nothing to do with EA's capacity to shut down and open law suits against free shards. EA holds the rights on every peice of art and they could charge for the public use of any of it. They chose not to do so, as you will agree that getting a lawyer to open a law suit against a teenager having a UO server in the basement of his parents in gawd knows wich country is not their idea of making profits.
I like this shard, as much as anyone here, and this is exactly the reason why I am speaking up. I realize that doing so will not win me a popularity contest towards the administrator of UOEX (wich I like alot as a matter of fact), or the players that donate on a regular basis, but I feel that if nothing is done, the imbalance between players will just get worst.
Anyway, that was just my two cents.
First, as for other players being "elite" or myself for that matter, I have 0 motivation for this. Of course, I am proud of where I am regarding my skills and equipement, and I am quite sure that I would not be as happy about it if I happened to pay for a shortcut (Ed's) to get them. So 0 jealousy there, you can trust me for that.
The problem, as I said yesterday, is the huge imbalance between the donation and the reward. Yesterday again, someone was spamming: selling 100 eds for 8 millions. I sincerly felt like vomiting. As I said, not so long ago, in a world where gold was easier to farm, the same 100 Eds would have been sold at 3,5 mil tops. Several changes have been made to control the economy on the gold side, while 0 changes have been made to control the Ed economy. The fix I see to this is to sell Eds on a vendor stone, at a price that makes sens (35-50k per), wich will prevent donators to exploit the players that can't donate by making a unreasonable profit over something they "donated" (without expectation of a reward). For many who dont have the time or the will to grind gold or train skills, it will still be worth to make the donations and therefore bringing the necessary money to maintain the server online.
From a law point of view, the mention: "the word "donation" describes an act of giving money without expecting anything in return" has nothing to do with EA's capacity to shut down and open law suits against free shards. EA holds the rights on every peice of art and they could charge for the public use of any of it. They chose not to do so, as you will agree that getting a lawyer to open a law suit against a teenager having a UO server in the basement of his parents in gawd knows wich country is not their idea of making profits.
I like this shard, as much as anyone here, and this is exactly the reason why I am speaking up. I realize that doing so will not win me a popularity contest towards the administrator of UOEX (wich I like alot as a matter of fact), or the players that donate on a regular basis, but I feel that if nothing is done, the imbalance between players will just get worst.
Anyway, that was just my two cents.
Re: Recalling in Fel!
I may be a total revolutionary, but i think the really high end, overpowering items/services (esp. Pet Slots, 500eds Relayering, Druid Spellbook) should be sold for in game currencies (gold & tokens), and for collectibles you get from a GoC-like quest.
The rest are ok being optional (or not so unbalancing), yet appealing, so ppl would still buy EDs every now and then (just think about omni magis/ultimate spellbooks, skillballs, +stat cap, etc)
In the current state of things tho, you have to use RL currency if you want to get competitive. Thats totally uncool.
I dont even consider in game farming an option to get EDs, cause really, farming as much as PB said (8-16 hrs a day for 5-10$ worth of EDs), is wasting oneself' time.
Getting a part time job would neat more incomes (in terms of EDs), be more satisfying , and earn you money for other hobbies/needs too, in a word, it would be more efficient.
And tbh, i dont want to work in my spare time.
Imho fixing EDs price wouldnt solve the problem, it would just fix a part of it, leaving the whole "farm until youre dumb" thing.
The rest are ok being optional (or not so unbalancing), yet appealing, so ppl would still buy EDs every now and then (just think about omni magis/ultimate spellbooks, skillballs, +stat cap, etc)
In the current state of things tho, you have to use RL currency if you want to get competitive. Thats totally uncool.
I dont even consider in game farming an option to get EDs, cause really, farming as much as PB said (8-16 hrs a day for 5-10$ worth of EDs), is wasting oneself' time.
Getting a part time job would neat more incomes (in terms of EDs), be more satisfying , and earn you money for other hobbies/needs too, in a word, it would be more efficient.
And tbh, i dont want to work in my spare time.
Imho fixing EDs price wouldnt solve the problem, it would just fix a part of it, leaving the whole "farm until youre dumb" thing.
Re: Recalling in Fel!
Upon rethinking my previous decision i have Re-opened this thread under one condition. I do not want to see any Slanderous comments. if i see one... this thread is gone.
Re: Recalling in Fel!
I like your suggestions, Krumhur. Maybe a good alternative to stones to buy Eds for gold. An other good solution is to all stand toghetter and never accept to buy Eds for more than 50k. That would prevent the "buy at 55k, resale at 90k" to affect the ed market. I like the way that one player spams "Eds sells for 40-50k" everytime someone offers them for an insane amount. I might just macro that and do the same.
Re: Recalling in Fel!
how about this. eds on stone for 50k. but.... people that donate get twice as much as they are offering now. this allows people who can't donate/don't want to...to be able to get things like pet slots and stuff. but.... those type items will cost double as it is now, so not to change the cost to donators, but will keep the ceiling price at 50k. 
which in fact will help out the gold economy by getting rid of all that gold out in circulation.
good idea?
which in fact will help out the gold economy by getting rid of all that gold out in circulation. good idea?
Re: Recalling in Fel!
I think its a good idea, but after talking to a really good source, Ed for gold stone will never happen 
Re: Recalling in Fel!
ED's Cant be Sold on a Stone. ED's are what keeps this server alive. I for one am not going back to OSI. i will go back to WoW before OSI. if you cant Buy ED's thats ok, but the players who do are the ones who keep this server Alive. Dont fault or penilize them for buying ED's you have a great server thanks to them!!!! my 2cents and yes i buy some ed's
Re: Recalling in Fel!
So, you think that having a Ed stone in game would "fault or penalize" the donators? I fail to see how. The cheapest item you can buy on the Ed stone costs 50 Ed's. One would have the choice to spend 10-20 hours in game to farm the necessary gold or donate 5$ to have the same result. I don't even see the numbers of donation going down if that was implimented, as most donators will admit that they donate because they dont have the time to farm gold. But fear not, I heard from a very good source that an Ed for gold stone would never happen.Killer wrote:ED's Cant be Sold on a Stone. ED's are what keeps this server alive. I for one am not going back to OSI. i will go back to WoW before OSI. if you cant Buy ED's thats ok, but the players who do are the ones who keep this server Alive. Dont fault or penilize them for buying ED's you have a great server thanks to them!!!! my 2cents and yes i buy some ed's
