Bee-friendly flowers

[Cyrddin]

Yard flowers do work for bees... its been done, and no probs with it... Me personally, i dont use the wand, because i got 100s of bee flowers...

Figures some people don't think when they script lol..
I was really hoping it was not possible....

But this is for sure a issue that should be brought up to +colibri.
A simple removal or trade the flowers with non beefriendly ones would do the trick.

-cyrddin

[Tael]

Just thought I'd post the results of my experiment: using only a tribarrel cactus and a snake plant, the hive didn't find any flowers and is dying. So I proved myself wrong, but I'm always willing to learn. I'm trying again with just lilies, to confirm or deny their usefulness for bees.

A corollary of my test shows that you don't need a separate flower for each hive -- assuming my non-flowers did nothing, I see no difference between eight flowers for twelve hives on one floor, and ten flowers (plus two bullrushes, which are probably non-flowers) for another twelve hives on the floor above. So it seems that you can use fewer flowers than you might have thought and still get good, consistent results (ie, always thriving).

As for flowers from the yard wand, I think they should be left to continue to work for bees, just as water tiles and fountains and the like should work (do they? I'm not sure -- I've never used a yard wand or put water tiles in a house). This way you can design a nice yard area with some hives in it if you want. I don't see the problem, really. People will still buy flowers.

[Cyrddin]

Just thought I'd post the results of my experiment: using only a tribarrel cactus and a snake plant, the hive didn't find any flowers and is dying.

Was already confirmed.

A corollary of my test shows that you don't need a separate flower for each hive

Not being mean... But who said you had to have a separate flower for each hive?
But yes you are correct, I think it is 3 tiles away, I would have to look at the script again to find out.

As for flowers from the yard wand, I think they should be left to continue to work for bees,
just as water tiles and fountains and the like should work.

I am unsure what you mean honestly...
First:
I don't think you can fish out of the water tiles.They are simply decoration...
Second:
I dont think you are going to get much out of a fountain other then decoration also..

Last,
I think you can get most of the flowers off of the wand. In my mind only removing the ones that are bee-friendly would help, it would keep people more interested in rising plants. If you can get nearly all the plants off of a garden wand then why buy plants off someones vendor?

This would at least keep people interested in buying bee-friendly plants off someone who spent days to grow it just to sell it for a few thousand gold.

Also it is possible to make all the plants on the wand non bee-friendly.
I think if you take a cactus for instance, and change the itemid to morph it into a flower, then it would still be considered a cactus. Then plug in your new morphed flower as the decoration placed by the wand and the bee's will ignore the nasty toxic stench the morphed cactus if giving out.



BUT to let you know I am interested in your results from the lilie plants. =P

-cyrddin

[Tael]

Well, I don't get why a water tile or fountain shouldn't work to fill a water pitcher or give water to bees -- the only excuse is that no one thought to code it that way, which is fair enough. Likewise with flowers: if it looks like a flower, I think it should work for bees like any other flower. I guess we can agree to disagree on this.

BUT to let you know I am interested in your results from the lilie plants. =P

The lilies worked fine, and were recognized by the hive as flowers. Next test is a crafted flowerpot.

[Cyrddin]

That is weird for sure. =)

[Felli]

Hello, this forum post has brought up the question. Are lilies bee friendly? Yes, they are and to prove this I did a test with my husband. Using only one Lily plant, one beehive, one pitcher of water. Note: there are no other flowers around.



Although the hive shows a minus sign for the flowers, it does not effect the well being of the hive. It has only been potion-ed with poison, cure and agility (now that its thriving). If, Xab wasn't so impatient with his test he would of noticed they do work as bee friendly plants. I HOPE this image sheds some creditable truth on the matter since he called me out on the first post since a ton of people sell lilies, uses them for their bees and agrees they are bee friendly. I will continue to monitor the experiment and post any new updates.

[Felli]

Here is today's screen shot.
Note: No other flowers are around. Only cure, agility, or poison is added (which ever was needed).


Thriving, producing honey and wax.

[Xab]

Felli thank you for posting here! Me didnt want to charge you with incompetence, i'm just searching for truth
Yes, i see your great shots and the hive is really triving and producing. But why the flower status shows minus?

who said you had to have a separate flower for each hive?
But yes you are correct, I think it is 3 tiles away, I would have to look at the script again to find out.

Possibly agility pots enlarge that area.

[Felli]

Well I feel like you did try to single me out and still are in a rude manner. The only person who looks incompetent is you for not finishing your own test. Agility potions do in fact increase the range, however there are no other flowers in range to even be effected by this. I have no idea why there's a minus sign, but it obviously does not matter. They work just fine, if I have to continue the experiment without the use of agility potions I will just to prove a point further. To me though this whole thing has gotten out of hand. I believe the screen shots speak from themselves since a picture is worth a thousand words.

[Xab]

Right you are Felli, i was too dumb and impatient to finist the test correctly at producing stage.
Aparently i've lost my lilie plant and cannot run a new test till october 18, when i'll have some red lilies grown up...
Yes i believe your words and if you say that lilies are bee-friendly, and confirming your words with a screenshot that proves it, then why dont i believe you. All that brings a mess here is just a code that checks "poppies", "flowers" and "snowdrops" in the plant title to accept it as bee-friendly.

Anyway please dont be so angry about my behaviour, but i'm very curious why there is no "+" in the gump on your screenshot at the flower status? Is that some kind of a bug or idk..

[Felli]

Yes I know I am right Xab, and I don't understand why its so hard for you to understand that they work . If you like I will gladly give you a free lily plant to do your own experiment today, so we can speed this process up this whole thing has gone on way too long already. As for the minus sign it might be a glitch and I'm curious to know why its not a " + " when it produces like Campions, Poppies, and Snowdrops. Possibly other decorative plants work as well, but I have not tested them.

[Layfon Alseif]

A lot of the players who grow for the shard work very hard at it and deserve thanks for their work. Not over analytical debates on the whys and why not-s of how flowers work. Please remember that they are doing other players a service out of their own generosity and time. Flower growing is not very profitable and is a lot of work when doing it mass production so all the new players have flowers for their bees. I know you meant well trying to figure out if lilies were in fact compatible or not but they clearly are "-" sign or not. Instead of debating this topic anymore lets change it to a THANK YOU! for all the shards flower growers.

[dillingham]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- ... 6467_n.jpg

this is kind of a poor screenie but if you see how my table is over my plants that might be why yours is getting a neg.looks like in your shot you have it next to it.also ideally this is about how many bee's you will want for a full hive give or take a few.If you need any help with your set up pm in game i would be happy to give a helping hand.

[Felli]

Thanks for posting your beehive setup shot, dillingham.

In my screen shot, the plant is on the side because I wanted everyone to have a better look at what plant I was using. As for the minus sign, it was there before I moved the lily for a better view.

[Tael]

As for the minus sign it might be a glitch and I'm curious to know why its not a " + " when it produces like Campions, Poppies, and Snowdrops. Possibly other decorative plants work as well, but I have not tested them.

Perhaps you didn't notice above your first post that I had also tested lilies and found that they work fine for bees. I think I had a minus sign beside the flower icon as well, but who cares as long as it works. I'm currently testing a crafted flowerpot (the small one with a yellow flower) and it seems to work, but there's neither a plus nor minus sign beside the flower. Who knows the way of these things, but what works works, and that's what matters, I think.