How being a victim lead me to jail!

[krystol]

it was about october 5,2010 when i decided i would macro remove trap. Quite the useless skill, but able to be macro'd. not long after the macro was started and i retired to sleep, i was killed! i sent many pages, and got few answers. most declared my unlawful loss irreplaceable, few gave hope of the possibility that they would be returned to me safely. i held onto this false hope. but as the days went on and uncertainty grew along with my anger, i set a new goal for myself. that goal was to obtain a captain jack sparrows cutlass. days went by as i afk macro'd fishin with no problems, but this was sure to end soon enough. it was about the 3 day straight of fishing. when i awoke to check my lastest finding, i found myself in jail for 24 hours. the day passed and as soon as i walked free i was fishing again.! this time not for so long before i made my way to jail again! but, i really wasnt afk this time, i was doing many things including checkin in on uo about every 10 minutes to make sure i wasnt in jail again. so i paged, and was ignored. knowing well that i was within the time limit i raged out and cursed many. but after about a hour of my 72 hour sentence i was released, and resumed fishing. this time i decided to log 6.5 hours of time and finds. the finds for that long were pathetic in my opinion, as i questioned how is fishing afk gonna get me lots of money unless i fished for over 50+hours? right now im sitting on over 30+hours, and netted myself 5 ancient sos scrolls(the only item im after) that is 30 hours i spent watching myself fish!

october 12 i began fishing, passed a afk check 1 hour after i started. got bored so i layed down and passed out b4 i stoped my macro. this time i awoke to be greeted by a new jail cell. after some time +Hina appeared to inform me that +Colibri wants to make an example outa me, and i now have a jail sentence of 1 week! oh how i dread the fact that if i never was a victim of a exploit i wouldnt even be fishing.

on another note, i worked hard to gather up all that i have, and for me to just lose all that time is quite upsetting.
i would also like to note, that out of all this fishing i have yet to make 1 gold, infact i probally spent more gold on arrows then made off of serpant corpses. i am in no way trying to fish afk to gather gold. i dont even see how thats possible unless i were to sell the one thing im fishing for, and thats not gonna happen.

estimated value of entire loss - over 10million gold
estimated value made off fishing - 0gold

i am in no way trying to be a trouble maker for your gm's a stroke of bad luck just happen to lead me this way, that easily could have been avoided. fixing this is outa my hands, and the ones who can seem to have their hands tied.

please, consider the events that lead to this...
next consider my log of over 30+hours fishing
now, was it really necessary? (out of the past week since the death/loss incident i have been jailed 3 times for fishing afk)

now i would like to ask, before this incident did your gm's even know me? i doubt it, i played the game and had fun. i ran into a few random bugs that led to even more loss, although these were fixed almost instantly.

it truly is a wonder how one person could deviate me so much. after this week long jail sentence enforced by none other then +Colibri himself, i have to assume that he no longer is willing to sort out the issue that led up to this.

estimated total loss - 2 months of my time, 10 mil gold, a few items that are unobtainable, the time of gm's who set out to enforce afk gathering rules to fishing,+Colibri's time he may or may not have put into sorting death/loss incident up to this point, and the time of anyone else involved in the attempt to discover what truly happened that night.

i must admit, my loss is more then the gm's, but i did not put us here.

[Ishamael]

I have spent a lot of time fishing on this shard. Not many have spent more time behind a fishing pole. It bothers me to some degree, that if I don't have my eyes glued to my screen, I can be called AFK. I am sitting in front of my computer, at my keyboard, and my attention strayed for about 3 minutes, and +Mocha, with nothing better to do, is checking on me. There is no resource gathering with fishing. What can you do with fish, sell them for 1 gold each? Not worth carrying around to sell. The "resource" we are gathering is MiBs, and for that our attention is required to fight the sea critter and loot the corpse. There is no AFK macro for that, nor would I use it if there was. Aren't we making a mountain outta a molehill here? I feel for you Krystol, and hopefully the staff has not driven you from playing on this server. Only suggestion, don't be away from your keyboard, even though that sometimes don't help. I was at my keyboard when Mocha silently teleported onto my boat, and because it took me about a minute to respond, I was almost tagged for afk. I have a whole family life happening around me, 4 children runnin amuck, a pregnant wife, tv runnin in the living room, attentions can stray for a few minutes. perhaps a better system of afk checks can be figured out. Just my two cents. I don't think anyone on this shard is gonna make it big by selling fish.

[krystol]

i thank you for your support. i dont intend to leave this server. though really bad luck of some sort is driving me that way. your opinion on fishing is greatly appreciated.

i do understand the rules i broke and punishment - i dont agree with punishment that is enforced. i am not going to try to debate against it, although i think it needs revision.

[Nelapsi]

I do agree with above, I have several monitors running at the same time and can easily be debugging something taking my full attention for a few moments.. then bang you are afk when in fact you are not. Fishing needs to have the same catch that mining and lumberjack has in place (I also think that random counter needs to be speed up because I can go days without being checked).

Keep in mind I am not saying what the person above did was right or wrong, not sure if I know the whole story or not just think the afk check can be handled better.

[krystol]

i also thank you for input. you are right this isnt the whole story. i have left out the middle. it gets kinda distasteful-not forum appropriate-and ashamed of some things i said at my 2nd jailing(note*i made some more distasteful remarks and accusations the day i lost my stuff-left that out too). but for this most recent jailing, and the day i lost my stuff it is.

[Nelapsi]

i also thank you for input. you are right this isnt the whole story. i have left out the middle. it gets kinda distasteful-not forum appropriate-and ashamed of some things i said at my 2nd jailing(note*i made some more distasteful remarks and accusations the day i lost my stuff-left that out too). but for this most recent jailing, and the day i lost my stuff it is.

Oh I wasn't meaning that, for one.. if you were afk and macroing it is no secret what happens and if you did you get what has been known to happen. I am sure people in jail say a lot of "things", some they mean and some they don't. I think I meant more on how you died, because I heard a rumor someone was killed by a released pet. This is not the first I have heard of such a thing, also heard someone was killed in the hidden room in Gauntlet as well. If true and these kind of players are allowed here, then we need some better rules because we are losing our family shard and becoming OSI. I am also not saying you "should" get your stuff back even if all this did take place, I learned a long time ago being connected has a risk and do so knowing it (Since I am not staff I do not have to worry about making such decisions and therefore won't)

[+Colibri]

First about your death incident. I have taken the time to investigate what could have killed you, it wasn't a guildie, it wasn't a passing by monster, and well I have no indication that it was any kind of bug. You say you were macroing remove trap, and I think that's the most likely cause of your death (and the information we have collected when you have first died, and further investigation, supports that theory).
Now keep in mind that I used to get approx 1 bug report a day involving dieing and *ZOMG I lost everything". And pretty much none of them turned out to be a bug. So I have stopped to treat these seriously, since... well, people die, they don't have items insured and ... in this game by default items remain on the corpse.
So that's that.

As for the AFK fishing. Besides the fish which don't really sell for much, you also get SOS bottles and gems. And in your case, your macro was also killing the water serpents, and AFK killing spawn is also not allowed. So, these are the rules, you broke them. There's not really a whole much to discuss here.

[Efanchenko_MM]

I kind of thought it wasn't necessary to discuss why you were jailed, and how you thought it was unfair on the forums, like you said you broke the rules being AFK, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.... and then go on to disrespect someone by getting verbal, I'm sure you don't like being treated that way, well nor does anyone else.

On the whole fishing subject, I have said all along for a few years I would love for something to be done with fishing to make it a better thing for players, Would be nice to hear some thoughts what people might want to see from it!

[Brotherwolf]

Bottom line is the rules state no unattended macroing of any profit making skills. I see a few times some stated *well you dont make much on fishing anyway*. If you make only 10 gold doing it all day then wow you still broke the rules. I have done some dumb things and GM's have jailed/warned me and guess what? I didnt make excuses I apologized and owned up to my mistakes. If you have been caught twice doing the same thing and jailed and then feel your being targeted then guess what?? You painted the target on your head not the GM's

Wolf

[krystol]

well if it was the macro i wonder why it didnt kill me the 3 nights b4 then that i macro it the same exact way. i think if this thing is to be acceptable(me lose my stuff for good) then other forms of exploits should be just as legal. apparently you have given up any hope for me and now i am being cast aside. though if i were to do the same to a player, i would get nailed to the wall and they would be reimbursed with any loss they may have suffered because of it.

"i do understand the rules i broke and punishment - i dont agree with punishment that is enforced. i am not going to try to debate against it, although i think it needs revision"
i am not trying to get out of jail. this is what i get to do during the time i would normally play uo since im in jail for a week, merely a substitute.

[Melkor]

From my experience here, whenever someone has a complaint or often times a concern, or if they think they are being treated unfairly by staff, or if they think staff are behaving unfairly. There is one message that is given time and again and that message is, Keep your mouth shut or go find another shard to play on. Having received that message myself on more than one occasion I choose to adopt the Keep your mouth shut option. Although, truth be told my play time is much less than before. My advise to you is select one of those options and and make the best of the situation.

[Efanchenko_MM]

Really think you should be focusing your energy towards something other than the situation you got into krystol, The Admin said himself he looked into what happened with your death, I don't think it's right to be judging staff's actions when clearly it seems you can't put behind the wrong doings that you had done.

What did you want to achieve with this post? Because with reading between the lines you put a cover over having a rant at the staff for doing there job with "Fishing doesn't generate gold"

I think the staff have been doing a great job, Everytime I get checked on I happily talk to them to let them know I'm there or type in the word in the AFK checker... shouldn't be any excuses to have a length of time away when your clearly not ment to be, If you are destracted so much that your attention fades from the game then it's time to stop doing such action.

I think the whole going public thing really isn't the step forward but a HUGE step back, these kind of matters should happen privately.

In your first post you stat your pages were ignored, I can imagine they couldn't have been very understanding pages, or properly propelled towards the question you wanted answered, Otherwise the situation would have been a lot easier for you.

What makes things 10 times worst is you had repeated the same rule break over and over and jailed a few times and STILL you can't see you have done wrong, However much you say you do, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to fight your corner, It's crazy!

[Gwendolyn]

i days went by as i afk macro'd fishin with no problems

by as i afk macro'd fishin with no

i afk macro'd fishin with

i afk macro'd fishin

u wat?

[Brotherwolf]

Take responsibility for your own actions whether negative or positive outcome. This is something I taught my kids at an early age and its helped define them today. On the other note like many have said before If the rules on this server are just to harsh for you then feel free to jump to the many other free servers out there. The Staff here is very fair. I like the rules in place. Alot of good and fun people play here. To bad you can't see that.

Wolf

[TheWatcher]

Yeah...

This strikes me as a bit of a strange topic.... I was about to agree that AFK macro fishing doesnt in the scheme of things effect the economy unless there is a boom in the fish market

However, running an afk macro that involved you afk killing serpents and collecting MIB changes my opinion greatly...

It is as bad as AFK weapon leveling imo....

When you step into someone elses house you obey their rules. Regardless of whether you agree with them. You dont debate their merits...

Suck it up... Pay attention while fishing

The Watcher