Odd trend in breeding

[KnitePrince]

I have pretty much always stood toe to toe with High on his rates of fail/success and this time it is no different.. so if there are those of you who are having better luck count your blessings.
I breed pets to survive here. My left hand is pretty much useless.. missing fingers and crushed.. all healed for several years but its not easy when things turn from the relaxing enjoyment of hunting to a life or death situation...
since I am physically incapable of hunting.. at least the really hard stuff, I have few ways left to make a living.. My character hasnt physically killed anything in over a year... and my bees will only take me so far... No, this is not anyones fault but my own, and i do not think anyone should have to suffer for my stupidity I guess I just want to understand why the imps are being pushed and breeding is being slowly swept under the rug. I've tried, and i cant do lady Mel.. I can do Dread, but if things get too hectic i am out of luck.
To be brutally honest... and Sorry Highroller, you know I love you man... but breeding being hard doesnt bother me all that much.. it just means less and less people will do it, and prices would eventually go back up...
except for the imps...
I could struggle and fight to keep my lines going if the prices were worthwhile.. but so long as Imps are so superior and easier to get.. the prices wont go back up.. imps do more damage, and once they are ointed up to max hp... they will last forever...
When folks quit the shard, and let their houses fall.. someone will loot those pets that last forever.. ppl that leave will give them away.. and every day more are getting looted from the peerless bosses... eventually, the imps will be even more common place than the bred pets... nothing hurts them.. they get killed they get rezzed to go back in and die again... I do not blame ppl for liking them.. they have nothing to lose if they use them... If I was more capable, and enjoyed hunting more I would use them too, its the wisest choice for the maximum gain.. But I also feel that they will eventually cause more problems than the perceived threat of the bred pets... Especially once the prices on them start to fall.
I was once kicked out of my guild for selling things at a price i felt i could make a profit on without being silly...
I wish those old players could come back and see what the prices are today..

[Electra]

The way to make this work for everyone on the shard would to make certain monsters immune/resistant to certain pet types. Therefore you would need to breed up several pet types to be successful.

I stopped breeding a long time ago because it was expensive to do it yourself and there was a high falure rate. I eventually just purchased high-end pets and saved money and time.

There are many techniques that I have perfected to kill each boss. Some I use a bio pet, some a pack of nobles and another I just use me and a Cu. The point is you could make some really tough monsters/quests that would require a specialty set of pets and techniques to conquor a monster.

I have always liked the rule that only females can ride a unicorn/male kirin. Make an area/quest that you can only bring a unicorn into. All other pets can't enter...then unicorns would be needed and become popular to breed. Any number of restrictions could be placed around the shard to make specialty pets necessary.

I spent a lot of time and 100s of millions of gold building many different bio pets. I even made bio pets with boss dna, max abilities, max hps and was ultimately disappointed that a pack of imprisoned pets was cheaper and easier to obtain than my bio pets. They were also much easier to transport and recover with than when you die with a bio in a deep spot. You would think that with all the effort, organics, skills and experimentation it took me to make a perfect bio, it would be the top tier pet

[Side]

I have always liked the rule that only females can ride a unicorn/male kirin. Make an area/quest that you can only bring a unicorn into. All other pets can't enter...then unicorns would be needed and become popular to breed. Any number of restrictions could be placed around the shard to make specialty pets necessary.

While I do like the idea of needing different pets for different situations, I am completely against doing anything to make people want to be even more cookie-cutter (ie. One-handed archer w/shield, all wearing generally the same armor peices, hiding behind their trees and filled pet slots) on this grossly unbalanced sever.

The only thing making unicorns a required viability is actually going to accomplish is making everyone sex change to female so we can be even more alike, in our warm, safe, assembly line charecters in a game that was at one time greatly known for it's customizability.

I think there's a plethora of things that could benefit the game way before the adjustment of what's considered "top teir" in the pet kingdom, such as giving people a reason to actually use melee weapons, or balancing spells so we actually see the extinct species of "caster" that used to be a part of this game.

And without trying to offend anyone, god forbid some things in a "multiplayer" game actually require a group effort, instead of trying to make everything soloable so we can all alienate ourselves as much is possible in a social medium. Make champions unavailable targets for pets ( at the very least for those who don't still have "young" status) and nerf druids, so that trees (1 of the 2 spells people even use, which is actually on par for the usefulness of the majority of spell books, sadly) isn't enough to 1) keep an AFK/macroer alive at a champ spawn, and 2) certainly isn't enough to allow them to solo it, lol.

Just my thougts, sorry if their out of place or slightly off topic.
Long post short, +1 for diversity, and hell no for any more "requirements."

[KnitePrince]

I swear every time something becomes popular people shout nerf...I love my doggies and have had them for a long time...instead of trying to get changes made to ruin the millions of gold in oints I have put into my dogs, why not suggest changes to make breeding better or bred pets stronger to compensate? This topic went straight from being about breeding to being yet another topic complaining about imprisoned pets. Yes, they're strong. They take a LOT of gold to make worth it, too. You can say that a pack of five fresh ones can deal more damage, but they sure won't last long in a fight until you oint the crap out of them. Jack laid it out very well in a recent post - I am too tired to find it for you right now but maybe in the morning :p

For the record though, I do think squirrels and ferrets need to be rarer. Dogs on the other hand are rare enough :p I can camp travesty all day for keys and still burn through all the sets and come up empty-handed.

I dont like doggies, and the millions I have invested into my breeding lines is already being wasted... so whats the difference? Hurt you or hurt me?
I HATED imp pets from the very day they were added... BlackDeath showed me how one fresh out of a crystal could kill a drag, and I told him then that this was an ill omen...

You guys [complain] about nerfing something you like... well slow down long enough to think about other peolple when you do it.. because those other people ARE being HURT by the new things YOU happen to like.. I have already admitted that I WOULD use imps if I fought more.. it IS the wise choice to maximize your gain, but that does not mean I have to LIKE selling pets I struggled for MONTHS to max at a price that is an insult to those months of effort, gold and struggle... pets are 70% of why I play here,, So... I too dislike being NERFED by these new imps YOU like so much... yell if you want but it is the thing YOU are trying to protect that is new, unwanted and disliked... at least by me...

[Highroller]

I still maintain that bred pets have been hammered into the dirt. I have some 13 or 14 pet types maxed and virtually all anyone will buy is nobles and mules. Ie I cant sell maxed pets at 100k each. I am getting 105% fail rate on unicorns at this time. But the worst thing is even if I ever manage to actually cross a few maxed they won't sell worth crap.

I STILL say making it easier to get a pack of 5 imprisoned pets than for a breeder to max out one pet breed is way unbalanced. Now granted I already had a pretty well done character but I got my first 5 imp pets once I started trying in a week or two. Ie dropped not buying. Well a couple may have come from the elven note stone. But none were bought for gold. Sure they get better with a lot of ointments but right out of the crystal I maintain they are better than any other pet except against life drainers like Grizzle.

If staffs intent is to totally wipe out people breeding pets then they are doing a jam up job, if not, SOMETHING has to happen to balance things.

[KnitePrince]

I still maintain that bred pets have been hammered into the dirt. I have some 13 or 14 pet types maxed and virtually all anyone will buy is nobles and mules. Ie I cant sell maxed pets at 100k each. I am getting 105% fail rate on unicorns at this time. But the worst thing is even if I ever manage to actually cross a few maxed they won't sell worth crap.

I STILL say making it easier to get a pack of 5 imprisoned pets than for a breeder to max out one pet breed is way unbalanced. Now granted I already had a pretty well done character but I got my first 5 imp pets once I started trying in a week or two. Ie dropped not buying. Well a couple may have come from the elven note stone. But none were bought for gold. Sure they get better with a lot of ointments but right out of the crystal I maintain they are better than any other pet except against life drainers like Grizzle.

If staffs intent is to totally wipe out people breeding pets then they are doing a jam up job, if not, SOMETHING has to happen to balance things.

I do not disagree.
Making breeding as hard as it is will simply keep new folks from doing it because of the difficulty, frustration and cost. Those of us that have been here for the long haul, and already have max lines can struggle to maintain, though not easy it is possible... those starting from scratch now have a LOT longer road to travel with many pitfalls in their path.. the price of bred pets should be going up...
Due to difficulties in breeding my vendor will soon be empty for the first time, and it looks like it will be a few days, if not weeks before I can get enough successful breeds to put SOMETHING back on my vendor... when i do, the price is certainly going to be higher.
I do not uber max my pets like you do High.. I sell them maxed with max armor.. if someone wants to oint them to uber max them they can certainly do it.. I just find enough difficulty in maxing them without spending silly amounts on oints...
Once upon a time oints sold for a decent price, now they are so high I am not willing to buy them... I will go to fel once in a while to obtain them, but it is a long process when combined with my own difficulties in hunting, and not worth the current price of pets to me. i feel that once I raise my prices I will no longer sell mules, nobles, or frenzies... I imagine it will take some time for people to catch up to the reality of the difficulties, and with the imps out there, it will take even longer.. Not sure where to go from here..
Hopefully, something will change to re balance what was once a good reason to play.

[anarchy]

the price of bred pets should be going up...

that would be true if there wasn't anything like the imprisoned pets. hehehe just failed on two gen 4 level 35's nobles. RAWR then again they were back bred already and they have max everything but armor. lol

[Ruewyn]

Not that this will help breeding difficulty, but I'd like to see imp pets bound to account once you pick it up off the corpse.

[anarchy]

i second that motion! account bound the imps.

[Gwendolyn]

Not that this will help breeding difficulty, but I'd like to see imp pets bound to account once you pick it up off the corpse.

and power scrolls, and crafted items, and champ skulls

everything should be account bound IMO, would make the economy much more stable and everybody would have to WORK for what they get


Because you know, WORKING for money and participating in commerce is just STUPID LOL



Give me a freakin break

[Johnny Warren]

everything should be account bound IMO, would make the economy much more stable and everybody would have to WORK for what they get

Because you know, WORKING for money and participating in commerce is just STUPID LOL

Wouldn't that make the economy non-existant?

As for imps vs bred pets... Since i got my imps i havent even thought of using bred pets... I have never bred and can understand the breeders frustration at not being able to move their stock, but i dont think making mobs that require specific pets is the right answer.. that'd be kinda annoying lugging around different pets... I just don't use pets unless the mob has a tonne of HP and it is significantly faster to use pets, otherwise its just... stop. Hammer Time!

I think there should just be more areas where pets cannot be used. Maybe in said areas have mobs with high HP etc to try and get some teamwork happening...

EDIT: @ Side, melee is alive and well on this server... I see a lot of players meleeing all the time. Personally I much prefer to bash stuff than use pets.. too many clicks to use pets...

[Gwendolyn]

I was being sarcastic

[Johnny Warren]

lol =P

: Face Palm :

[Highroller]

Well the nerfing still continues. 80% to 95% fail rates breeding pets is the norm. Of the few that don't fail I get a high sterile rate. So at this point I expect I could have gotten 10 imps in the time its taking me to max out rune beetles and white wyrms. Not that I will be able to sell them for much when they do finally get to true max. With the prices on imps coming down it gives people even LESS reason to buy any bred pets.

[Highroller]

Well 4 more fails today on rune beetles. The nerf is in rare form. Yeah they aren't maxed and with this fail rate may NEVER be maxed. Same for unicorns, 4 more fails for them. Lord knows we cant make it even remotely possible to max spellcasting pets that probably won't sell anyways.