Champ spawn vote in at 3 full sides

[Spendy]

Steve , I believe the original intent of this thread was a suggestion , not a complaint . people are expressing their views as to why they believe this idea is good / bad .

Yes , I do agree ... if you want to spend every hour on this game camping out champ spawns , then eventually you will do one .... and if you don`t want to do that , you can join a big guild that has members doing just that 24/7 . If you can`t / won`t do either of those things .... then we have to listen to the bully boys of the shard , not suggest anything anymore and sit in silence ?

..... not a chance

[Rindon]

This was in no way an attempt to point fingers at guilds/certain people. It was an attempt to get some feedback on a problem that I see in game in hopes to get it changed for the better.
I have found myself having to use imps at spawn every time since it does get swarmed with other pets.
As for setting pets on guard, when a Druid aoe kills half the screen in a cast me running around in a circle trying to get something to target me isn't going to happen. I think a lot of people are in the same boat. Most of the time I do try to sit away from trees In hopes of contributing in the lower candles. Everyone has lazy moments though.
The time lock is a good idea. Maybe a little lower than two minutes as being at a spawn for almost an hour is meh.


This is even more important now with the changes to the ps bag. Still not sure why that happened lol. But it does make it a problem for lower geared people who get their 120 by combine. Especially since there are so few of them and I really only knew of one public ps bag.
Side note: woe does not have a ps bag. We uses the one public one. We do have a guild rule in place to allow everyone in spawns until 14 candles, but I will be the first to say I have my own personal black list of two people. One of which was kind enough to show why they are on it in this thread. I wouldn't allow them in probably ever nor do business with them lol.

[Melkor]

Good God guys, cry me a river or what.....

The PS bag was never intended to be for public use, that is why it was changed.

Of all the Champs, only one can be locked down in minutes, all the others take a good bit of time to complete 2 sides.

Since the begining of my time here, getting let into a champ once the voting starts is a very small chance, I don't expect to be let in, if i get let in, so much the better.

Pets, Yes, using pets on Bosses is not cool. When i do a champ with LMC, I don't have to worry, they are experianced players that are fair, i can relay on them NOT to use pets, and i am happy not to use them either. If no one used pets, everyone would get a PS. But when your at a champ with newer players and new upstart guilds, half the people have pets out, you cannot rely or trust them to do anything. IE, pets get used by all.

And, yeah, like others have said, if you wait for Global chat to tell you a champ is up, slim chance your going to get in. I have spent countless times travelling all over the map checking the spawns, and many many times only to find nothing up, if you want to do champs, you gotta put your time in.

I do champs now about 10% of what i used to, and I almost never take gold. So many people crying about this or that, I'd rather spend my time enjoying other aspects of the game.

[Steve]

Sorry Spendy for not acctualy adding anything constructive to the post, but i hear some complaint or other almost every day, and this is just a new one that doesnt need to be changed.

just like to finish off by noting 1. quite often i see a WOE memeber camping a champ, so if your NOT doing champs then this guy doesnt seem to be letting your guild know, which is doubtful cos when this happens there ends up beeng a mass swarm of players belonging to that guild.

2. powerscroll bag is no longer available for public use (see change log), and it was never intended to be as powerfull as it has come to be known as. (hence special auction item)

Once again i've added nothing constructive, but the amount of changes that have already been made to champs, if it continues, Coli might as wile just give out scrolls for free -.-

[Steve]

I'd rather spend my time enjoying other aspects of the game.

Nice to finally see some sanity ^_-

[+Colibri]

Actually if we're talking about that it's hard for some to get into a champ, there's 2 solutions already thought out:
A. If you do a champ, you cannot enter a new one for at least a few hours. This makes so that one person can't do 6 champs a day, meaning there's more for the rest.
B. The ability to join a champ at any level, but not frequently, let's say once a week.

Even better, that there's a champ spawn but you bid on who gets to have it. If there aren't any bid increases for 5 minutes, then whoever won the bid gets it. And it's a gold sink. I'll code it and we'll see how it goes.

[Spendy]

I can understand your frustration with peoples complaints ... I really can ( after being a mod on other games , it gets very annoying to hear ppl moaning when they havn`t given things a chance etc ) . but what you have to realise is that this is a feature request forum , and people have a right to put their requests / ideas down . I get quite annoyed when people put other people down just for having an idea/opinion , there is just no need for it . Comments like "cry me a river" ... "stop complaining" .... there is simply no need for that at all .... if you don`t like hearing ideas , stop reading an ideas forum .... period !!

I wouldn`t know how champs have been changed over the time of the shard ... I`ve never been allowed to take part in one .... but I do hear you , powerscrolls should be rare items that you have to work hard for . Personally , I gave up looking for champs a while ago too .... I have only limited time to play & like to enjoy the other aspects too ... life is too short , lol .

Anyway , sorry for hijacking the thread :S .

[Spendy]

Actually if we're talking about that it's hard for some to get into a champ, there's 2 solutions already thought out:
A. If you do a champ, you cannot enter a new one for at least a few hours. This makes so that one person can't do 6 champs a day, meaning there's more for the rest.
B. The ability to join a champ at any level, but not frequently, let's say once a week.

Even better, that there's a champ spawn but you bid on who gets to have it. If there aren't any bid increases for 5 minutes, then whoever won the bid gets it. And it's a gold sink. I'll code it and we'll see how it goes.

The first idea is a good one Col , it would enable more people access to this particular aspect of the game .... I`m not convinced on the bidding idea though .... that would just enable the rich to get richer , because they would out bid everyone else ?

[Side]

Even better, that there's a champ spawn but you bid on who gets to have it. If there aren't any bid increases for 5 minutes, then whoever won the bid gets it. And it's a gold sink. I'll code it and we'll see how it goes.

I honestly can't see a single benefit to doing that. I really can't even see why the idea would cross someone's mind as a solution to anything being complained about here.
So, basically, the people who already have the gold, would be in the best position to attend this champ to generate more gold?
It would be an "investment" for those who have a PS bag (or access to one, which you've clearly already catered to), at best.

I don't mean to sound harsh here, but it honestly just seems like you have one group of people's interests in mind lately.

[Melkor]

you have to realise is that this is a feature request forum , and people have a right to put their requests / ideas down . I get quite annoyed when people put other people down just for having an idea/opinion , there is just no need for it . Comments like "cry me a river" ... "stop complaining" .... there is simply no need for that at all .... if you don`t like hearing ideas , stop reading an ideas forum .... period !!

I'm a big believer in players being able to make suggestions, it just seems of late, all these so called suggestions are framed in a "poor me" kind of way. I normally don't make comments like "cry me a river", but its getting really frustrating seeing tons of people crying about things. Its a game mates, enjoy it.

In the spirit of the post, I suggest no changes to the champs.

The PS bag was added (a change to the champs IMO), then things were un-balanced so they had to change the drop rate of PS. Then the bag became public, and then more changes were needed. Everyone who plays the game right now as the SAME chance at getting into a champ. Colibri is making PS bags available at auctions and raffles again. I think right now is about as fair as it can be. Another change, will most likely only lead to another.

[Steve]

but what you have to realise is that this is a feature request forum , and people have a right to put their requests / ideas down . I get quite annoyed when people put other people down just for having an idea/opinion , there is just no need for it . Comments like "cry me a river" ... "stop complaining" .... there is simply no need for that at all .... if you don`t like hearing ideas , stop reading an ideas forum .... period !!

You dont seem to realise that, YES this is a feature forum, BUT most threads here (including this one i might add) are not created in an attempt to better the shard, they are created because someone doesnt like the way *other people* play the game, so try and penilise them and disguse it as "its better off for everyone" the simple fact is, your complaining about your innability to champ...solution: Run round like a nutta looking for champs more often.

When i was guildess i had no problem with champs, why? becuase i would check very regularly (mostly fail and yes mostly get voted out.

Im always up for new features and ideas, but not because someone doesnt like the way something is, but because it may be benificial to the shard. Think about the post before you submit, and make sure your not posting for your own desires and/or shortcomings!

[Rindon]

Well this turned out to go completely different direction than I intended.

+c can you lock or close this thread. It's turned into nothing
More than a flame war.

Side note: bidding idea terrible, few hour timer idea very good.

[Steve]

Well this turned out to go completely different direction than I intended.

+c can you lock or close this thread. It's turned into nothing
More than a flame war.

Side note: bidding idea terrible, few hour timer idea very good.

Sorry if it sounded like im flaming you but think about it, theres nothing WRONG with the current system, you just dont like it, hence the thread, hence the "new ideas" (i call it nerfing) and hence making it look like your getting flamed!

The reason im so adement about getting this point accross is because left right and center things are getting changed becuase someone doesn't like it (this was brought up in the recent +V thread).

This is going to sound incredably harsh but it needs to be said...if you dont like it, dont play it.

And as Spendy pointed out this is the Feature Requests forum, not the complaints forum.

[Rindon]

I actually have never really been locked out of a champ aside from a few times. Personally I do not have a problem with the current system since WoE usually has people looking for champs or has them timed.

This was more of a suggestion to help out new players to be able to get in to champs but I guess the vets like it the way it is.

With the new ps bag rules 120 scrolls will probably go through the roof and new players wont be able to get them for anything but ridiculous prices (this is all an assumption of course).

The sad thing is, the only real argument to my suggestion is that I am complaining which it was not intended to be taken that way.

[Nelapsi]

Actually there may be an idea in all this... keep in mind I have not really thought it out much so may be some bad side effects to this that I have not considered.

We currently have the (young) status, they even have their own champ they can go to which has a 4 hour timer. Considering we have far less young then vets if really hunted it could be insane. Why not have a second timer, say set for 45 days. Until an account hits 45 days they cannot be locked out of a champ or require a vote to enter a champ? At first thought this seems actually not bad because of the sudden end of to young status and suddenly you are out in the cold with lesser gear (it was embarrassing what I used to wear and call armor). This gives new players a bit of a slope into learning the vast world rather then the cliff they tend to face now. Keep in mind this idea is geared more for the average player and not us OCD types.