champ spawns

[Spendy]

.... So I`m guessing you weren`t willing to wait and see ?

[Disposable]

So...I generally refrain from complaining. I enjoy the shard and understand that not everything can be perfect for everyone....however, I need to speak up on this one. I was just referred to Excelsior Daily thread to read +colibri's post regarding the upcoming changes....does no one else see the issue with this? Instead of saying "Ok, so, players can only have 1-2 pets, so we need to do something to bring DOWN the DPS that druids do," you're saying "So, players can only have 1-2 pets, AND won't recieve the benefit of healing in spawns, AND the druids still have their Uber AOE that causes everyone to have to run around like chickens with their heads cut off in order to grab a bit of aggro."

I don't have a Bio, that's my problem. I don't have a druid book, again, my problem. That being the case, I use my PETS to try to earn money, as they are my only recourse. Am I saving up for a bio? yes. Am I saving up for a druid book? absolutely. I have NO problem with ANYONE that uses those benefits, the problem that I DO have is the fact that everyone else was just given a MASSIVE nerf. Is there any point to champ spawns any longer? doesn't seem like there is for me.

[Holypal]

Or let's just keep the champ system as it is now. Actually i only see these issues at Doom champ, or maybe Barracoon sometimes. Most of the champs are good as they are.

[Disposable]

Or let's just keep the champ system as it is now. Actually i only see these issues at Doom champ, or maybe Barracoon sometimes. Most of the champs are good as they are.

I actually completely agree, and am pleased to see you post this. It can get irritating from both sides at certain champs, but nerfing/boosting either is not going to resolve anything. It is simply going to cause MORE issues. Have I gotten irritated with having to chase down a bit of aggro? sure. But What ever, I commend the people that HAVE druid books for spending the money, be it real or in game, to get them as they are obviously a major boon. That however does not make it logical to nerf pets for those of us that do not have them yet. If I could donate, I would, but it's not fiscally possible at this moment. Therefore I am doing what I can (touring and such) to try to save up enough EDs to get a book. I'm stating this simply so that the other side of it is understood.

Just as those of us without druid books should accept and respect those that do have them, the same courtesy should be, and mostly is, offered by those with druid books to those of us that don't have them.

I vote for leaving things the way they are. If you don't like it, don't go, or find one that suits your gameplay style. There are MORE than enough spawns to do so. The only thing that these canges would do is make it impossible for some of us to have that option.

[Adrias]

Which is why I like my suggestion >.> just makes the bosses a bit harder to kill

[Disposable]

Which is why I like my suggestion >.> just makes the bosses a bit harder to kill

*agree*

[Spendy]

Am I missing the point here ?? Where in the upcoming changes does it make druids gods ?? All Col is changing is the ability for you to stay in trees and get healed ...

No-where in his changes post does he mention not being able to use pets etc .... or maybe I clicked the wrong link to the upcoming changes

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Nope , just re read the upcoming changes post he made .... no where there does it say you can`t use more than 1 pet , neither does it say your pet damage will be reduced .... nor does it say champs will be nerfed .... those are mentioned earlier in this thread when Col was musing about what to do .... they do not appear in the "changes" thread .

[Disposable]

Am I missing the point here ?? Where in the upcoming changes does it make druids gods ?? All Col is changing is the ability for you to stay in trees and get healed ...

No-where in his changes post does he mention not being able to use pets etc .... or maybe I clicked the wrong link to the upcoming changes

go back to page 3, and you'll see +colibri say that it'll be made so that people can only have 1, maybe 2 pets out. That means that only people with Bios or Druids will be able to get on the DPS meter. As far as the tree thing goes...I think that is kinda salt in the wound for some of us. lol

[Spendy]

agreed he said that in *this* thread when he was musing what to do .... but those changes do *not* appear in his list of things that he is going to change ....

[Disposable]

agreed he said that in *this* thread when he was musing what to do .... but those changes do *not* appear in his list of things that he is going to change ....

I agree, they do not appear in his list of things...however, that post was made AFTER the one in the excelsior daily thread. If it is confirmed that they were nothing more than musings, I will gladly retract my statements and apologize for the uproar. However, given the direct relation to that thread, I feel these are more than simple musings, and consider it important that opinions be voiced BEFORE the changes are made.

[Spendy]

100% agree that opinions should be voiced before anything is implemented ... after all , it is a game where we all play , and all get enjoyment from , and Col and the team are just trying to give us what we want . I just found it hard to understand the hysteria that ensued after a post , not just on here , but on world chat

[Cornbread]

Do you guys know how champ spawns work? You only get a scroll from killing the boss, hence the complaining about a druid killing so much stuff during the ENTIRE spawn and not getting a scroll because the people who stood there and said "all guard" until the end then say "all kill" zerg the boss and kill it. Druid damage is subpar for those of you who do not have a druid book. It does about 40-80 per shot. Even if volcanic eruption did 1000 damage per shot it wouldn't matter if they don't get to hit the boss because you put 40 imps and nobles on it. What Colibri is doing is great it makes it so you can choose to stand there and say "all guard" or kill stuff and be productive. It helps the druids out because they draw all the aggro with all their AoE's so they are the only ones who actually need the trees. Once again, doesn't hurt you if you stand there with all guard on. It then helps that druid out at the end who is upset because he didn't get a scroll because you can't kill it in 5 seconds with your pets. It's the best change to the server I've seen since I started. It gives everyone the choice to either stand around and do nothing or be productive and gives everyone an equal opportunity to WIN (get a scroll) at the end.

[Stranger]

I like the idea of totally random spawns.
It will make the whole PS-hunting more interesting.
And will get rid of all "problems" listed in this topic (without any losses).

[Spendy]

I think the idea that scrolls will come from total damage is taken from page 1 of this topic , where Col was sharing thoughts with us ... then adding to later thoughts .... then adding that to what is planned .... then having an acorn land on the head ... then running round thinking the sky is falling in ...and dang I`m getting tired of saying this , but agreed Corn

[anarchy]

i've never gonna post another thing like this again.

trees only protecting druids=good
limiting pets=bad
increasing boss's hps/resist=good
anarchy in a spawn with 12 pets out and a druid book= bad
change of random spawning=good
change of notification of pets dying=good
disabling hiding/stealth except when retrieving a body=good
erm... i think that's all there was.

so 5/7 things that were mentioned were good ideas and 2/7 were bad. i'll take those odds any day of the week.

fyi: scrolls are determined by how much damage you do to a BOSS not little monsters spawning. so druids are kind of left out really. the only godly like power they have is helping (you) to bring out the boss. if i am wrong then please prove it, and i will personally apologize. i personally have not tested it but i've been around here long enough to know that if i cast trees and volcanic eruption but do no damage to the boss; i know i will not get a ps.


oops edit: i'll test that theory if i see a spawn going. just to make sure i'm not wrong, which is possible.