champ spawns

[eric]

I'll consider a "one pet per person" restriction. Or maybe two... And maybe that a champ gains even more HP, depending on how many people are at it.

I think this is redickuless. I put my hard earned eds into more pet slots if i would of new that this was a posablity of happing i would of done something differnt with my eds.I dont want to be like everyone else and jump on the band wagon and get a druid book i like to use pets instead at a champ.I think everyone should stop being babbys and leave the champs the way thay are.And if you don t agree just suck it up buttercup becase the champ rules have been the same for all this time and should stay the same!!!!

[Adrias]

if it's broke, don't fix it.

[Cornbread]

I think this is redickuless. I put my hard earned eds into more pet slots if i would of new that this was a posablity of happing i would of done something differnt with my eds.I dont want to be like everyone else and jump on the band wagon and get a druid book i like to use pets instead at a champ.I think everyone should stop being babbys and leave the champs the way thay are.And if you don t agree just suck it up buttercup becase the champ rules have been the same

Think and read before you speak. If you look at my earlier post and read all of what +Colibri said it'll all come together. You can stand there and watch the druids do EVERYTHING while you do NOTHING but stand there with your pet or two out. Now when the champ spawns you still say "all kill" like you do now. Only difference is instead of you making targeting near impossible and/or killing the champ before the druid who did EVERYTHING can get off 3 shots with his bow, it takes just a little longer so that everyone there, including the guy who spent his ED's to help you do champ spawns so much easier, gets a scroll too. Nowhere else will you not be able to have ALL of your pets running around killing everything. People who use pets are not being punished, +Colibri is simply making it so that everyone has a fair chance and a scroll at champ spawns alone.

[Dj Sticky]

So I am pretty new to this shard, however I think it is just that fact that makes my thoughts relevant to this conversation. I played here for about a month last year however my account was swept due to inactivity. My account is currently 6 days old.

I have been doing champs for about 4 of those six days and here is my take.

While it may be slightly annoying to have people camping the alter waiting to rush the champ it has not been a huge issue for me. The only problem I have with druids is they kill to much of the spawn and I can't use my normal spawn tactics effectively. No problem though I'll bust out the bow and start single targeting.

I am yet to do a champ were I did not get a chance at a scroll, yes I have been at the 15+ people doom spawns and baracoon spawns. This is not to say that I have not walked away scroll less however I 90% of the time it was because I screwed up my actual mechanical execution of playing the game(Not having arrows in my pack when I equipped my bow, bobbling the targeting etc). Barring those times, the other instances that I did not get a scroll (which are few) I recieved the message that I was in the running for the skull which I presume means I did have a chance at a scroll, I just didn't get one.

You do not have to have a ton of maxxed pets to get your fair shot at a scroll nor do you have to have some uber relayed suit. In fact, the only items that I use for spawning currently that cost more then 10k are my weapons (blaze of death however I started spawning with a 15k hally I found on a vendor), my hive gear, and possible a piece of jewelry or two however none of those were more then 25 or 30k. The bow that I use on the champ was 20k. With this suit I am more then able to solo rats or MoA as well as get scrolls off of other champs. On Doom or Rats I do try to get my pets on the champ asap just to make sure.

On the druid topic, I don't care if there are druids there or not, I don't need their mana. As a matter of fact I'd prefer they AREN'T there because it lets me execute my strat much better (more spawn to kill).


So, in closing please keep in mind I'm not trying to offend any one or put any one down. If you are going multiple spawns without getting the CHANCE at a scroll, perhaps try adjusting your strategy in gearing or play style? Perhaps you are just making a mistake or having an off day? Perhaps the others at the spawn just out played you. Spawns can be competitive, it happens! I will say that spawning was always one of my specielties on OSI along with doom so I do know a lot of the easy ways to get things done however it's not a very tricky process.

There were some good tips here for targeting the champ, I'll have to look into setting up that razor hot key. As it is I rely on good reflexes grabbing his life bar when he pops or good aim to grab the red bar our of the Ctrl+Shift pile afterwords.

So, I hope I didn't upset any one and by no means am I calling any one a "bad player". I don't know most of you well enough to make that judgment so please don't think I am

Good luck to all and remember, if you're not having fun you're doing it wrong

[Melkor]

I think this is redickuless. I put my hard earned eds into more pet slots if i would of new that this was a posablity of happing i would of done something differnt with my eds.I dont want to be like everyone else and jump on the band wagon and get a druid book i like to use pets instead at a champ.I think everyone should stop being babbys and leave the champs the way thay are.And if you don t agree just suck it up buttercup becase the champ rules have been the same

Think and read before you speak. If you look at my earlier post and read all of what +Colibri said it'll all come together. You can stand there and watch the druids do EVERYTHING while you do NOTHING but stand there with your pet or two out. Now when the champ spawns you still say "all kill" like you do now. Only difference is instead of you making targeting near impossible and/or killing the champ before the druid who did EVERYTHING can get off 3 shots with his bow, it takes just a little longer so that everyone there, including the guy who spent his ED's to help you do champ spawns so much easier, gets a scroll too. Nowhere else will you not be able to have ALL of your pets running around killing everything. People who use pets are not being punished, +Colibri is simply making it so that everyone has a fair chance and a scroll at champ spawns alone.

Since you so rudely said "think and read before you speak" I'll jump in here. Eric spent 1000 ED on two extra pet slots. This guy does nothing but champs, never peerless, just champs. 1000ED is well more then the cost of a druid book, and full gear. He is active throughout the entire champ and uses his seven pets to fight the monsters all the way through. So for him, yeah this change would really screw him over.

For me, i hate it when there are 20+ nobles on the boss, but my bow is good and i know how to use it, i generally get a scroll, and if i don't oh well, that is the game. It's fun.

I'm so tired of all the baby's crying the game is too hard for them, especially when this shard is set on "super easy"

[Namorah]

I think this is redickuless. I put my hard earned eds into more pet slots if i would of new that this was a posablity of happing i would of done something differnt with my eds.I dont want to be like everyone else and jump on the band wagon and get a druid book i like to use pets instead at a champ.I think everyone should stop being babbys and leave the champs the way thay are.And if you don t agree just suck it up buttercup becase the champ rules have been the same

Think and read before you speak. If you look at my earlier post and read all of what +Colibri said it'll all come together. You can stand there and watch the druids do EVERYTHING while you do NOTHING but stand there with your pet or two out. Now when the champ spawns you still say "all kill" like you do now. Only difference is instead of you making targeting near impossible and/or killing the champ before the druid who did EVERYTHING can get off 3 shots with his bow, it takes just a little longer so that everyone there, including the guy who spent his ED's to help you do champ spawns so much easier, gets a scroll too. Nowhere else will you not be able to have ALL of your pets running around killing everything. People who use pets are not being punished, +Colibri is simply making it so that everyone has a fair chance and a scroll at champ spawns alone.

Since you so rudely said "think and read before you speak" I'll jump in here. Eric spent 1000 ED on two extra pet slots. This guy does nothing but champs, never peerless, just champs. 1000ED is well more then the cost of a druid book, and full gear. He is active throughout the entire champ and uses his seven pets to fight the monsters all the way through. So for him, yeah this change would really screw him over.

For me, i hate it when there are 20+ nobles on the boss, but my bow is good and i know how to use it, i generally get a scroll, and if i don't oh well, that is the game. It's fun.

I'm so tired of all the baby's crying the game is too hard for them, especially when this shard is set on "super easy"

You need to think and read before you speak/post.

What CB posted is extremely correct, and to the point. Here, let me re-iterate in plain english for you:

- Before changes -
1) Druids pop trees and begin using explosion to start killing the mobs leading up to the boss. This generates massive aggro and usually places them at the top of the hate list for those mobs. This means that in addition to doing a good majority of the damage, they are taking hits like crazy as well. (Note they are doing 50 - 100 of damage per hit, depending on mob/resists and whatnot)
1a) Alot (not all) of players stand there, with their pets out ( 4, 5 or 8 pets per player) using the "Guard Me" command. They stand next to the trees so that they are healed and mana regen-ed constantly, and do not bother to attack anything at all, save for the random mob that aggros them before the druid's explosion has a chance to draw aggo.
2) Candles are completed and on or about the 2nd to last skull after the last candle is completed, the druid drops their trees, and starting using bow-shots and the like to help finish the spawns down for the boss to pop.
3) Boss pops, and instantly the 10 players who were standing there not doing anything, target the boss and use the "kill" command to have their 4,5,7 pets decimate the boss.
3a) this results in a ticked off set of druids because they did 95% of the leg work to GET the boss to pop, and get nothing in return.
-- I know that there are players who do use their pets to help kill the mobs leading up to the boss, this is just a general scenario that I see day in and day out at the champ spawns --

- After the change - (Note: +C has not come out with an official changelog just yet, so this scenario is subject to change)

Druids will still use their trees and explosion abilities to help get that boss to pop. They are still going to do quite a bit of the damage and take quite a bit of the damage. However, the tress will no longer heal anyone just standing there doing nothing but using the "guard me" command with their pets near the trees. This gives more incentive to help kill off those mobs even faster so you take less damage. Yes, you can still use your 4,5,7 pets during this time to help kill off those mobs, that is not impacted in anyway. A thought by +C is to make it so the champ BOSS will only allow one pet per player. This means that once the 2nd skull on the last candle is lit, start shrinking your other pets down until you are down to one pet. ALL players would have do this, which levels the playing field for ALL players at said champ spawn. That means that the person who spent 1000 ED to gain more pet slots is not going to impacted any differently than now. They just need to perhaps choose a different pet to fight instead of using 8 Noble steeds or imp pets.

[Thorgal]

I cant believe this tread is still alive and that people are still complaining and arguying over champs! If all of you (not naming names) are doing champs for scrolls just to sell them, there is more than 1 way of making gold, try something else for a change. I think one simple sollution would be to make power scrolls account bound, this way, you would do champs for personnal char growth and improving! Just a thought.

IDC i dont do champs except for the occasionnal Oaks to get a skull for Harrower!

[Shahter]

I have druid book and using it on all champs. But

- Before changes -
1a) Alot (not all) of players stand there, with their pets out ( 4, 5 or 8 pets per player) using the "Guard Me" command.

What else should they do? First 2-3 waves of mobs are totally destroyed in seconds by druids.

2) Candles are completed and on or about the 2nd to last skull after the last candle is completed, the druid drops their trees, and starting using bow-shots and the like to help finish the spawns down for the boss to pop.3) Boss pops, and instantly the 10 players who were standing there not doing anything, target the boss and use the "kill" command to have their 4,5,7 pets decimate the boss.

Stop macro 2 candles before boss, unshrink pets, wait for boss. Whats the problem?

3a) this results in a ticked off set of druids because they did 95% of the leg work to GET the boss to pop, and get nothing in return.

Who asked them to do 95% of work? Thats just an excuse.
It is easier to run vulcan spam macro and drink coffee, saying in the end "i did 95% of work".

Or do like Cornbread does - standing near someone's tree in angelic form, spamming vulcan and closing spawn with his own tree to make targeting to boss impossible.

[Namorah]

Who asked them to do 95% of work? Thats just an excuse.
It is easier to run vulcan spam macro and drink coffee, saying in the end "i did 95% of work".

If a person can macro the vulan spam, then other people can easily macro a targeting macro that will have their pets attack mobs and come back when done, oh wait, they already exist. They can also drink coffee during that time too.

Or do like Cornbread does - standing near someone's tree in angelic form, spamming vulcan and closing spawn with his own tree to make targeting to boss impossible.

Not here to start a ***ing match about who does what. I asked the same thing of other players who were doing that, and got told to use CTRL+SHIFT. *shrug*

The current system does not work due to 10 players showing up and using 5+ pets each to swarm the boss. Its being looked into for change by the server owner based on opinions from the community. The same thing happened with the powerscroll bag.
If you like it, great. If you dont, thats what forums are for

[Pendexter]

Im still sure if +Colibri makes it more random almost everything will sort out by itself, instead of 6hrs make it repop anywhere from 4 to 16hrs.

[Shahter]

If a person can macro the vulan spam, then other people can easily macro a targeting macro that will have their pets attack mobs and come back when done, oh wait, they already exist.

I am able to do macro for druid, but I have no idea how to make my pets autoattack mobs. And actually why do i need this? "All guard" command if enough during first 2-3 waves. And can be very dangerous on 4-th wave againts Hiruys for example.

and got told to use CTRL+SHIFT. *shrug*

Yeah, works great, but im case of Doom champ you have 0.00001 seconds to pull Neira's hp bar, so good luck

Not here to start a ***ing match about who does what.

Ok, agree.
Just tired of ppl who teaches others what to do. Its not ur server, not ur shard and not ur spawns.

[Devlin]

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Jesus Christ people, this is a change to make things more balanced.
1. Upping your pet slots is stupid. Sorry you did it, sorry noone told you before hand. Relayers > another noble
2. There's an issue currently with people not getting pscrolls because 10 people drop 5 nobles/imps on the boss and its dead in 10 seconds. NOW. We've seen what adding more HP to a boss will do (MoA's have roughly 50k HP or more now, you really wanna spend 10 minutes fighting one of those?) Logically, the best solution is to kill the amount of damage pets do.
3. GET THIS: Buy a yumi with Mana Leech on it, get your Chivalry up to 80 and macro Armor Pierce. If you can't do enough damage to get a pscroll with the Godmode Formula (Mana Leech + Chiv + Proper Wep Abilties = Godmode) then you need to reconsider heading back to Shame, farming some gems and getting a larger mana pool.
4. If you want to bash on druids, go right ahead. I'm a lazy bugger who didn't want to do work, so I made 13 million gold, wrote 2-3 custom/optimized macros for EACH champ, which allows me to move around if there are others/generally wreak havoc on anything. *cough* /sarcasm *cough*
'scuse me, I have a terrible cold.
So.
Stop complaining. You're going to find something to QQ about, its human nature. This is one of the first changes recently (IMO, most changes don't affect me) made to better everyone on the shard, recent ones have been nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf. If you all really want to cry about something, how about the "account bound GoC's". Had 20 mil of paroxy stuff alone, some laby/bedlam stuff too. Sold it for ~5mil, thinking it would be worthless in 2 days. Yet Bedlams the only one that's acct bound yet.
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[Kenekeo]

Hi Shard,
I like to read the forum for info and I usually like to avoiding posting opinions (since everyone got one ). Anyways my two cents;

1. first and foremost, I dont care what change actually happens. Why? because I'll adapt to it all.

2. to +C and the staff, great work in listening to the shard and addressing this hot topic. Shard, the fact that +C is trying to help is great. You shouldnt be so criticial on him for trying. Nothing is or will be perfect. As Devlin wrote, "QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ"

3. Change is good, staying the same is boring.

4. I do have suggestions on making things easier & fair, but what would be the point. Someone going to complain because they didnt get their (thoughted) "entitlement to a Powerscroll because I was there"

5. Anyways, the forum is a place to post your thoughts and ideas. Lets keep encouraging it for the better of the Shard (not just yourself)

Feel free to blast me. I really wont care. Its a game and I'll adapt or move on

Sincerely,
Kenekeo

[krystol]

I cant believe this tread is still alive and that people are still complaining and arguying over champs! If all of you (not naming names) are doing champs for scrolls just to sell them, there is more than 1 way of making gold, try something else for a change. I think one simple sollution would be to make power scrolls account bound, this way, you would do champs for personnal char growth and improving! Just a thought.

IDC i dont do champs except for the occasionnal Oaks to get a skull for Harrower!

i suggested this. but the idea was to remove the random chance, instead it would check your skills to the scrolls it dropped and give you the next level up from the one it picked. at 120 everything and 50 stats you would no longer get a scroll at all.

though i imagine that wouldn't be easy to script if even possible.

[Dj Sticky]

I'm agree with Dev.

I didn't say it before but after re-reading the thread I think this sums up my feelings on champ spawns (and getting anything good in a video game period). GOOD STUFF IS SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFICULT TO GET, THAT'S WHY IT"S BETTER THEN SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PICK UP OFF THE GROUND! Be it through the mobs being hard to kill or the quest being hard (read difficult or time consuming) to complete or through you just having to be good at the game to accomplish the goal! With all skills and pets we already get a TON of free handouts here. I'll use my old wow slogan, "what do you want to just show up at the location and be able to open a chest to pick from the available loot then leave with out having to actually beat anything?"