Wrong Revamped Discussion

[ModvsQvintvs]

I did some check and we realise it give about 3k xp and 14ointments for a full run in that dungeon now.

is it the last version of the dungeon?

[Modvlator]

I remember Wrong going unbalanced when a GM Revamped it previously ... I think he is no longer member of the Staff...
The major unbalance for this place was generated by a GM when he or they added more monsters in the dungeon.

All these new monsters had ointments and gold drop when there were probably enough already.

That required a fix, I can understand game maker to to create a Balance, between places.

Now the way to fix the problem was to completely remove everything ?
May it be possible to ask you...Please don't fix problems like this..
I understand it take times, the zone may close its ok..!
But its very unfortunate it seem that the zone opened back too soon.

Because we can compare the degree of modification made there by a Clearcut of an Amazonian Forest

[+Nyx]

If you had read my notes regarding the changes made, we did not 'completely remove' anything. We decreased the ointment and gold bonuses because the area was being grossly abused. Saying we've essentially cleared a rainforest is a little bit over-dramatic.

[Modvlator]

What was the percentage of reduction applied on XP and Oints?
were there any on Gold ? it seem fine...

I'm just willing to see if we can make this place as much balanced with the rest of the game as possible and make it worthwile to level up and hunt in there..

Why kick out the levelling system of the Unique to Excelsior Wrong Dungeon?

[Dramoor]

I've noticed running wrong that now Sometimes i get a good amount of ointments. Sometimes I don't. Both a lot less then the 100 every 20 minutes I was getting. Definitely not enough to make it not worth it. Just not as great as it was before.

[+Nyx]

Gold was decreased by 10%. Ointments work on a different sort of system since they are coded to be able to drop off anything in Fel; so we can't decrease those by a direct percentage. For those, we mostly opt whether or not to add more on top of the base Fel chance or not.

So... yeah. I'm sorry if you feel depressed by the changes, but implying it was done as a personal strike at you is a bit narcissistic. Granted, some players were abusing the area as well as farming it AFK quite a bit, so if one falls into that category I guess then they could consider it as having been done to 'them', but the changes were not motivated by any specific player.

[Dramoor]

Nice edit of ur post man make ours look like we weren't commenting on yours.....So what you are saying is a dungeon in fel should allow you to level a whirlwind area weapon in 1.5 days if u sat there all day? Ontop of 300000 ointments ud get, not to mention the gold. Come on man. You just want it for nothing

[Modvlator]

Ya I edited to make it less Narcissic bad manners sorry
Nyx's post reflect what was written before my edit
thanks Dramoor.

I agree with you if you think that standing up during 5minutes after sitting for 3hours is an offence!
I remember asking Colibri when I started if it was ok to stand up while levelling and he said yes!
A GM will wait 5minutes to see if you're there.
I might get distracted by tv while I play because someone's dying and the women are crying u know movies ...
I'm so cheating I bet I'm the ONLY one that watch tv while he's levelling and walk around a bit.

I'd play less the game but if I want to get something I have to play, since I don't donate because the situation is not permitting it.
I'd be glad to donate if I could.

I know its hard to gage a game when most of the people play an hour a day..
And when you have people that manage to play a large amount of hours in a day or a month...
BTW I'm done levelling a weapon I did at least 500 000 XP this week 100% legit!

The changes won't affect me because I know I might be crazy sometimes but not really AFK.
And I have barely no Bank Sitting on my online time. So I know what a long and Great way it is!
BTW I did 500 000 XP in a week with no afking, so I might lack of cognition at any moment now.
Call an ambulance if you see me afk please, the radiation might have taken over *flex*

[Xavian]

I agree with you if you think that standing up during 5minutes after sitting for 3hours is an offence! ----> It's not an offense, but not pausing your script to do so is. By all means, get up and take a break, but don't run your leveling script AFK while your taking said break.

A GM will wait 5minutes to see if you're there. ----> 30 to 60 seconds and you're in jail.

I'm so cheating I bet I'm the ONLY one that watch tv while he's levelling and walk around a bit. ----> Nope, you're not. AFK leveling is a significant problem on this server

I'd play less the game but if I want to get something I have to play, since I don't donate because the situation is not permitting it. ----> You're not the only one that is in this boat. Many people can't afford to donate. Suck it up and play the game to get what you want

[Modvlator]

Honestly I don't know anyone here that AFK it up to the point to harm the server.
I was never afk for more then a couple minutes before getting in jail.

I think there's a difference between someone that look into a dictionnary at his desk or watch the first scene in the movie that started 35minutes ago for two minutes and someone that is really afk for a long long time.

I don't feel like I've got any single piece of gear made for free or with no effort.

[Xavian]

There are several people here who AFK quite regularly. I've seen them AFK leveling for HOURS on end. GMs can't be on all the time to stop them. Does it harm the server? You bet it does. Drops the price and value of leveled weapons. It also makes it harder for players who are trying to level legit but all the spots are taken by AFKers.

As for gear without effort, that is all a matter of opinion. Does it take effort for me to sit here surfing the internet on half my screen while scripts level weapons for me on the other half? Nope. But it took me many hours and lots of effort to write the script that allows me to do that. So effort or not?

[Asmodean]

5 minutes of AFK leveling or 5 hours worth - is the same thing. If you play 8 hours a day, and take one 5 minute break an hour ... thats 40 (8x5) minutes a day you spend afk leveling. If you did that for a year, that's 14,600 (40 minutes x 365 days) minutes, or 243 HOURS of afk leveling.

If you want to argue that 243 hours of afk levelling per year, per character doesn't harm the server, you can go ahead, but to me, even trying to proves you're not being rational.

If you want to watch a movie, go watch the movie! If you want to check in on the wife and kids, hit pause, go hide, and do so. Its not difficult.

Another way to think about it.

I think there's a difference between someone that look into a dictionnary at his desk or watch the first scene in the movie that started 35minutes ago for two minutes and someone that is really afk for a long long time.

What is the difference? If those minutes don't matter that much, whats the difference if you pause your script to do those things, instead of attempting to manipulate the rules to your benefit? There is obviously a benefit to you for NOT pausing it. Xp, Gold, Oints, that you wouldn't have if you paused your script. The only difference of being afk for 5 minutes or 5 hours, is you're much less likely to get caught if you take 5 minutes breaks, instead of taking a mid-afternoon nap.

[Modvlator]

I'm not rational this is not a game!
BTW What a huge waste of time so far!

Close the thread about my will to dismantle the anti-AFK levelling rules and add more doom dungeons! back to Wrong now!

[dillingham]