New type of PvP on the shard

[fingers]

[post removed for really a whole lot of inappropriate language]
[fingers, have you read our rules recently?]
[take care, +Colibri]

Sorry, I wanted to show the main spirit of true pvpers, I really didnt want to offend anyone, and none of thoses words were from me, all were quoted. The argument for enhancing pvp in UOEX was to bring more players and I wanted to show what kind of players we might end up with.

Anyway, all i say, is that with the current settings, pvp is a really really bad idea. There were people bragging ownage right in pvp dungeon today, while using there bio pet. What a none sens...

Sorry again for reproducing theses words, it was to make people visualize the attitude of competitive pvpers.

[Craig]

i remember that from my old server years ago.

[peon]

Jill, Chroma, and June all brought an interesting point to the game a second ago. They've been spamming trying to get people into the pvp dungeon, trying to use their annoyance and the pvp dungeons lack of restrictions to make adding the pvp idea seem like the lesser of two evils. Its a good plot i suppose, but i say if they are going to spam trying to lure people into pvp then it should be eliminated altogether. Like Col said, if it is in good sportsmanship then it should be allowed... in a secluded area. But if the actions of players that actually support and want pvp are like this, what good can come of it?

[Shal]

[quote="Jillmuffit"]Why not just give it a week or so trial period. All I see for reasons NOT to do this is SPECULATION. Lets put it in and +Coli can wait by the outlet and pull the plug. Didn't think there were some many closed minded people here.[/quote]


I agree %100! Wonderful idea!!!

[Shal]

Fingers, obviously the staff of that shard doesn't care what goes on as far as cursing and disrespect as it is with most pvp only shards!! Just another reason I chose Excelsior even though I enjoy pvp!!

I also play BF2. I'm an admin on a BF2 server. We do not tolerate disrespect and cussing on our server!! That kind of trash talk happens in any game if it's allowed by admins!! The staff of Excelsior go to great lengths to prevent that kind of player or admin abuse and do a very good job at stopping it! I don't see that kind of thing being allowed or happening in this system!!

I can see there is no "healthy" debate on this subject and people will not look at all the angles of it objectively!!

[Montavion]

Well, as I said before, I don't think the current players would make this a bad thing. I think we all pretty much agree that our main concern is the type of people pvp can attract to the shard. Except those people who don't want to see people fighting each other on a family shard, which I don't understand because you can go kill npc's that look like other players. Or attack a mimic and kill yourself.
I think the account age restriction, and the limited choice of people to pvp with will keep most of those types of players away. I just don't see someone spending 30, 60, or 90 days being peaceful on a family shard and then getting the option to pvp and turning into disrespectful people.
If this idea was implemented, I would use one of my alt characters to go pvp. I would spend some time getting him a few arties in doom, or buy some power scrolls. Level up a cleaver or something similar, I would enjoy the totally different strategy you use when building the character. Then, I would log into him every once in a while, and spend some time running away from Jill Muffit. :p I think all we want is a bigger playground than the pvp dungeon. Also. from a roleplay standpoint, it would give me a reason to try an evil character. As it is right now, low karma is almost a handicap on the shard.

[Chroma]

Then dont advertize it.

My dad usedto play on a server called [Shard Name]r. and there they had tags that said [PVM] that ment that you are pvm only you are NOT allowed to attack players and other players can not attack you NO MATTER THE CASE!

This was a excelent idea.

There was a gate you could walk through to remove the Tag and then you could pvp all you want


i think this would be a amazing idea because Then even if someone Pvp's they can travel to tram or fel. doesnt matter. And if they attack people jail them and if it happenes again ban them.

Pvp boost's the economy alot also because people will need gear for pvp and not pvm. People will suit themselfs COMPLETLY to pvp.

Like Shal said PvP is a big part of the game and has been for almost 11 years.

Why do as what some people call cheating? because when you think about it we are really cheating. Fel is supposed to be PVP we disabled it to make it easier for us. Which is cheating. Put pvp in there. Watch what happens. BUT DO NOT ADVERTIZE NO PVP and do not advertize any PVP let people figure it out on there own.

[Undertaker]

Like Shal said PvP is a big part of the game and has been for almost 11 years.

your right... it is apart of uo... That is why Excelsior was created, me an Alot of other people agree that we came here, or we searched for a shard that didnt have pvp... so to say what you said, yes its true, pvp is apart of uo, but at the same time, why add pvp 3 years later into a peaceful enviroment? Excelsior become a peaceful nice, wonderful place for all of us non pvper's who wanted to get away from it from the beginning...

were just repeating ourselves now... 38 posts later...

approx. half the shard voted... an so far the Bad Idea is way up there... that speaks for itself

[Highroller]

Well thats sounds like as fair a PVP setup as you could have but I think it could still go bad. If you mentioned this I apologize but IF you do the PVP also make it so the reds can't make any global chats. They could private message each other to taunt but I don't want to hear them talking crap to each other globally. As long as they can't attack me I can live with it. While I want no part of it, for those that DO let them loot each other, might as well let those that want the excitement have something to lose other than bragging rights. And probably reds should not be able to use pets to promote a level playing field.

[Chroma]

There is money in PvP. Alot of it. Anyone who is a Tailor or blacksmith is going to make it rich.

I think another way to make it so we can have PvP and no one can worry about it would be:

Make it so you go through a gate or "quest" to turn red. Once your red. Your like that permanently until you do another quest to go back blue.

But while you are red you can still travel all over the game like a normal player just with a "RED" name you will have the privledge of being attacked by other red players ONLY IN FEL or you can attack them.

Being red though you are unable to attack blue players. and they are unable to attack you. So there is no confusion.

then if you dont want to be red any more do this quest or something to go back like a purifying quest to wipe your sins. But both quests will be quite difficult because this is a big choice to move into a more elite part of the game.

As i said. Reds can do everything a blue player can. Go to TC restock the vendor go to auctions and all that. But pvp is only allowed in FEL with RED players.


This will keep the non pvpers safe and happy and the Pvpers happy that they can chill in fel if they want.

[+Colibri]

Yep as chroma said, and as i wrote in the initial post, that's about how it would work.

The only problem with quests is that, although many people say "oh you can make some sort or magical item, and it can drop as a sort of quest i guess", quests aren't exactly a snap to make

Well i hope that everyone who voted read my initial post, not just imagined how that would work. I presume that so far many players have made their decision after reading the initial post, and right now it looks like this won't go through.
(Would have to be a large majority agreeing with the change, not just 50:50, for it to pass). But the poll is still open and we'll see if there's any drastic changes.

[Efanchenko_MM]

as the saying goes "Why try and fix something that doesn't need fixing" Excelsior is doing great we hit 130 players.... if we were very low with the amount off players then yes maybe implement pvp but as it is we are a great shard with a growing player base, so ask yourself do we really need pvp? if you want it there are tons off other servers out there Excelsior is a healthy shard dont let pvp bring it down.

[Saffron]

Can't you see world war 3 has already started over this in the forums, with people who want the pvp to go ahead saying things like, people have closed minds to the pvp and we haven't read what has been said of how this will work

(I for one have an open mind and it is open and yes I have read what colibri put in his opening to this poll and how it would work)

So yes from what I have see from the people so far on the forum and in game wanting the pvp they have Helped make my mind up to vote NO to the pvp. AS it only goes to show what we would have instore if the pvp was to go ahead.

Ps. Plus I don't like being told how to think by anyone

[malwhynn]

I came here because it was a non-pvp shard. I agree with previous sentiments that pvp breeds a bad atmosphere. Already we have people being called "closed minded" by a pvp'er and we have pvp'ers in game spamming and harassing. How could you possibly think anything pvp related will make this better rather than worse? It is not a question of the mechanics, which are as good as anyone could ask for, it is about the attitude that pvp brings with it to a shard. If you do this, I don't doubt that some very good people would leave and that would be a shame. I really hope this does not happen.

[Chance]

My thoughts on bringing pvp to the shard that might be a safe and reasonable way to do so is this....

Pvp is an interesting and exciting aspect to any mmo. I think pvp should be enabled on the basis of something similar to factions. Maybe one idea can be on like a weekly occurrence maybe every wednesday and sunday or some week day and weekend day, whatever people think works best for that day. A stone opens up where those who want to participate may do so by joining and in doing so throws them in with a pool of people that randomly selected by gm or programmed get split up into 2 sides who maybe do something like capture the flag or all out war. Thus giving it a purpose, also making it so those who do not want anything to do with it will also be safe. However for those who do want to participate a chance to do so as well. Naturally all participating members are just as it is stated in the rules whether it be with pvp or pve or whatever expected to act with civility and decency most every one here has no problem being able to say hey cool it and if it gets really out of hand reported and left for a staff member to deal with it. I agree with Jill that I think it should be tried but as all things responsibly with interest from 16 people already voting in favor there is definite interest and I think it would be a mistake to over look this.

So there are the thoughts of a madman but at least it is my 2 cents :)