Life-Changing Movie

[BlaZe]

You may have heard my occasional "Free your mind!" advertisements of ZeitgeistMovie.com, but I doubt very many bothered to check out the site. I understand completely, so here's a quick link to the movie you all should see: Zeitgeist: Addendum. This is the second flick produced by Peter Joseph and while I enjoy the first Zeitgeist Movie, it has quite a few misled facts (not to mention unproved information) which tends to 'ruffle some feathers'.

After watching this for the first time I witnessed my roommate take every dollar from his wallet and set it ablaze in the ashtray. $36 up in flames, just like that. While you may not have that extreme of a reaction, I really hope this movie sheds some light onto quite how corrupt our current monetary system is and what we need to do for social reform.

Please note that much later in the video religion is mentioned and heavily degraded. If you consider yourself devout then I urge you to ignore what is said and try to focus on the main points of the movie.

There are subtitles (and some actual audio translations) for a LOT of languages, so if you don't catch everything that is said just do a Google Video search for "Zeitgeist Addendum (language)" and I'm almost sure you'll find it.

The views and opinions expressed in Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist: Addendum are not shared by Bud Brothers, UOEX.net, Papler.com or any of their subsidiaries or child sites/organizations.

[Llexa]

This is your brain:


This is your brain on drugs:

After watching this for the first time I witnessed my roommate take every dollar from his wallet and set it ablaze in the ashtray. $36 up in flames, just like that.

lol, kidding... kind of

Who burns money?! it's like 'there goes 3.6 hours of hard work'.
Could have fed a starving child in a 3rd world country for 1 month...

I'll read about the movie when I have some time though.

love,
Llexa

[Harabakc]

Conspiracy theories are easy, they only have to sound half way plausible.

[BlaZe]

Conspiracy theories are easy, they only have to sound half way plausible.

True, but unfortunately nothing in Chapter 1 is even remotely a theory, it just explains how currency is created and expanded (inflated) in a Fractional Reserve system.


Did you even bother to watch it?

[Harabakc]

The first Zeitgeist movie was all conspiracy.

[BlaZe]

The first Zeitgeist movie was all conspiracy.

Yes I already said something similar to that effect.

..and while I enjoy the first Zeitgeist Movie, it has quite a few misled facts (not to mention unproved information)

The first movie went pretty in-depth with religion and 9/11, which are touchy subjects in themselves. Of course one would be quick call it a conspiracy theory because the only 'truth' they believe is what they want to hear (don't get me wrong, I know that goes both ways).


I'm not here to debate any of those issues in the first Zeitgeist. I really recommend you check out the second movie, there is definately more hard facts in it.

[OldManAlewar]

i'm more of a Fight Club kind of guy when we're talking life changing movies man.

"Recycling and speed limits are bulls**t," Tyler said. "They're like someone who quits smoking on his deathbed."

~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 16

pre-censored before rayne and the thoughtpoice come by and do it for me

[OldManAlewar]

The first Zeitgeist movie was all conspiracy.

Yes I already said something similar to that effect.

..and while I enjoy the first Zeitgeist Movie, it has quite a few misled facts (not to mention unproved information)

The first movie went pretty in-depth with religion and 9/11, which are touchy subjects in themselves. Of course one would be quick call it a conspiracy theory because the only 'truth' they believe is what they want to hear (don't get me wrong, I know that goes both ways).


I'm not here to debate any of those issues in the first Zeitgeist. I really recommend you check out the second movie, there is definately more hard facts in it.

and now for a moment of science:

The only truth that exists is either mathematical, or something that has been tried and tested by repeatable experimentation and a solid, falsifiable theorem to back it up (and refine it).

for this reason, there is very little 'truth'
that said: you come preaching 'real life' to a 'family' shard, which is about as thought-through as an Obama fan on fox news before election.

people play fantasy games to escape the horrors of the real world, not to learn more about them.

[BlaZe]

Fight Club was an amazing movie, and if it taught me anything its that if something needs to be changed then it requires only the devotion of one human and the will to reform it.

Preaching? Maybe, but if I can convince even one person that "something's gotta give" then I'm at least not wasting my time.

Sure, people need their habits to 'escape' from their troubles, but I know firsthand that still isn't a solution. The only answer is to find the root of these issues and work together to solve it.

[KingPin]

This video is old news to a lot of us who aren't living in a democracy world like the U.S.A. Go to Africa or one of the communist country and check out their currency values and see which is worst. This is why people who lived in a country where their government constantly doing this kind of stuff use their money to buy gold instead of keeping a lot of cash because gold doesn't lose it values, but money does.

[OldManAlewar]

This video is old news to a lot of us who aren't living in a democracy world like the U.S.A.

i threw up in my mouth a little.

democracy has NOTHING to do with stopping corrupt moneylending schemes, in fact "free market" ideals only draw one to such measures faster.
protip: american money is 'leveraged' by a ratio of 14, that is to say, if you bring a dollar to the bank, they will lend that ONE dollar out 14x (at once) where the assumption is, that the first 12 will pay enough interest to make up for the last two who default on their loans, AND make a profit. its a VERY effective scam, but a scam nonetheless. (these are 'risk' loans, not 'guaranteed' loans)

To make sure the money exists on paper, in case anyone goes to the ATM ... more paper is printed.

in fact, countries where there is less democracy usually have LESS such scams because the dictators try to keep a close eye on everything, and dont like foreign debt collectors coming to ruin the party at some point.

[Beanah Vulgaris]

An interesting topic! ... first a word from ghandi

"Capital as such is not evil; it is its wrong use that is evil. Capital in some form or other will always be needed".
Mohandas Gandhi

From what i've been able to gather, the basis of economic flux is the relationship between the buyer and the seller
(relationship between supply and demand)

Since both are acctual people, all attributes of people are there for influence upon the economy.

Also ask. If you have gold... what makes it worth anything.
Hypothetical: if a war was on and you were buying munitions with gold, would the supplier take the gold?
yes if it translates to a profit at some point down the road... profit of what? Capital represents potential in the
economic circutry, paper money is merely a quantized representation of the work potential (again relative to the buyer or seller) over a given time. But what secures it? A country about to be overthrown has a worthless currency. Gold is worthless to a starving man unless it translates into food.

how does this fit in with the discussion?

Zeitgheist authors as well as numerous schollars (Noam Chomsky being a tome of information on this subject), are trying to show the behaviors of power gain and control. M. A. Rothschild once said "Give me control over a nations currency, and i care not who makes the laws". He means, given the control over the relationships that determine value of the dollar (quantized representation of the relationships) in the economy, he cares not who makes the laws cause he drives the very basis of traded human work potential. He would control the worth of your actions.

This is also a control game that has gone on since the civilizations in ancient mesopotamia, loans were given with interest upon return and charted in cuniform (sp?). Debt Slavery was a well setup institution and families learned how to control thier wealth to ensure future offspring would benefit. Being predators this is natural, we are naturally capitalists profiting off of EVERY transaction.
What sets us apart from the dinosaurs, is that we can function as a large community to a creative goal. The problem with social darwinism is that the product is rather sterile and non adaptive. The dinosaur analogy is that they could not adapt to something outside of thier closed economic system (economic being more resources, protein, nutrients, etc) when natural global forces, that created their environment, collapsed (be it comet, weather change or otherwise). As humans we take into consideration the value of a broker storing our gold we bought on the market for a fee, or a country defending the land and property we survive on. There for we are loyal to our country and depend on their military protection and economic shelter. With modern politics, we find a feudal system reborn into a grander scale where those with money can buy representation (lobbying interest groups).

We all have basic needs that create a basic floor for our economy, but when it comes down to it wealth is in our minds.
How much are your actions worth? Could i pay you to do something you'd be ashamed of or does that not have a price?
Its a very tough topic and im not sure anyone has figured it all out, but the control zeitgheist talks about is an old story dating back to the earliest records of human history. It is a dated operating system which is based upon a very old culture that has been able to take very few steps towards improvement; such as individual freedoms.

The only thing we can do is learn as a community (and stop destroying the invaluable libraries of information that have been set aflame by war). May university (universitas magistrorum et scholarium, roughly meaning "community of teachers and scholars") reign.

[Markus]

omg someones REALLY Bored !!

[OldManAlewar]

It is a dated operating system which is based upon a very old culture that has been able to take very few steps towards improvement; such as individual freedoms.

the mesopotamians are DEAD, thats not 'very little steps'.
If you are talking about arabic culture in general, they have taken every other step BUT democracy a THOUSAND years before we did, using electricity to melt gold in the age of the pharao's and bloodywell invented almost all of mathematics (minor greek and modern contributions aside).

as for operating systems...

An operating system (commonly abbreviated to either OS or O/S) is an interface between hardware and user; it is responsible for the management and coordination of activities and the sharing of the limited resources of the computer. The operating system acts as a host for applications that are run on the machine. As a host, one of the purposes of an operating system is to handle the details of the operation of the hardware. This relieves application programs from having to manage these details and makes it easier to write applications. Almost all computers, including handheld computers, desktop computers, supercomputers, and even video game consoles, use an operating system of some type. Some of the oldest models may however use an embedded operating system, that may be contained on a compact disk or other data storage device.

[Beanah Vulgaris]

Acctualy in the historical records you find many leaders that took steps towards a social viewpoint that life was about the common person and not just the elite. (Cyrus the Great freed the jewish people within his kingdom). There are allways seeds to a democratic order.

Also, if you claim the mesopotamians are dead, then what about the billions of people containing the genetic code of their descendance or helping to spread its strong culture base (look at the spices in the foods of that region and elsewhere)? You cant tell me they were ALL wiped out from the region, theirs no proof either way! There is proof of a major weather change in that region (Professor Jared Diamond, wrote guns germs and steel, found in his research for that book) that may have cause a mass migration due to non arable land from drought and over farming (he says that they may have cause a small terraformation of the region as well due to their farming practices).

If you read the story of Gilgamesh (parts are very similar to the Noah story of the Torah), he was a king that ruled with a council. Infact much of that region followed suit. Yes you had a king, but you also had a council or senate of sorts. These are the steps necessary for the democratic ideal George Washington showed at the end of the American revolution ( when asked to be crowned king by the people, he handed over his sword and declared that the power came from the people and so it should be returned to the people). India had in place independant republics so noted by a greek historian following Alexander the great's invasion (note they were not succesfull, but no advancement is without sputters).

I might also point out that East Indian temples as well as many ancient documents allude to their having intimate knowledge of advanced calculus. In the temples there are lotus patterns on the ceiling that mimic Bifuraction patterns (maybe a coincidence in the temples). Unfortunately we dont know enough as many documents from the libraries at alexandria (for the greek/egyptian calculus written on papyrus) and the universities in india (such as Nalanda or Kanchipuram). The indian temples also are a testiment to the ability of ancient east indian engineers and artisans.

As for the term operating systems, i was using it loosely to describe the economic system that has been updated to the point where loans require background checks and if i want to withdraw my wealth i can withdraw cash representation instead of giving the goldsmith a reciept of gold ownership (the beginnings of currency). It is the way we interact in the world. We keep what has value and discard what does not. This is the system we use to manage our and the world's resources.