Anti pvp? Lack of excitment

[fingers]

back in osi i had more than 70000 pk's,... i killed 23 of them and sent 4 runing away to recal

All I have to say is

[Karma]

If there is realy enouph interest in pvp I could and would have no problem starting a fight club guild. I could easly turn the bottom floor of my house into a battle room. Mayeby the bottom 2 floors if enouph people were interested. Simple rules teamed events would be blue robes vs red robes. Only gm crafted gear would be alowed nothing that had been ed to keep the playground as even as possable. All chat about fights to be kept in guild chat. Rules being broke gets you banned from house and removed from guild.

[Harabakc]

If you read an implied "you're an idiot" in my post then that's your problem, not mine. If I meant to call you a moron, idiot, ignoramus, etc I would say it, but I didn't say any of those things, did I? If you haven't noticed by now, I say exactly what I mean to say.

As far as pvp goes, I don't care, chances are I wouldn't participate if this was implemented.

Why does the quality of people's gear matter? They obviously worked to get it somewhere.

[Gordin]

Fingers, gotta a suggestion: let's take Karma's idea and forget about this post.
It's more than proved that only a few can discuss and can accept opinions different that theirs. Also it's proved that a lot prefer to argue about anything else than the real point of some post.

Let's not waste time that could used in something more fun.

... what is his point flubber and uncatchable or something?

Up for Karma's ideas, down for Black Death's, and for Harabakc, lol

[Bubba Ho Tep]

(...) im merly stating my opinion to see the responses ON topic nothing more
(...) the "god mode" has nothing to do with my topic i dont have something in mypossesion or anything changed that NOone else can achieve or get so again please try to stay on topic here

We did stay on topic, since we were trying to show some of the shard conditions - equipments, pets, all skills without cap, etc - as the factor that would make PvP unbalanced, and therefore, unadequate for Excelsior. You brought an idea, we cared to explain why we were against it (instead of just saying whether we were for or against it). And you just happen to be the easiest example to come to mind yourself; nothing personnal on it.
Should anyone else had given the idea, you'd probably still be the example. We aren't saying that you are the only issue; we are just using you as an example of a bigger issue, and fact is, not the only issue to give us reason to oppose it.

So, just summing it up for those who couldn't understand: some of us are against, since we think there would not be a balanced and fair PvP. And, personally, I happen to agree with Colibri that this kind of thing is likely to create a whole lot more issues for an already overwhelmed staff to handle - if not fights, then at least requisitions to do this or that to balance the PvP.

If there is realy enouph interest in pvp I could and would have no problem starting a fight club guild. I could easly turn the bottom floor of my house into a battle room. Mayeby the bottom 2 floors if enouph people were interested. Simple rules teamed events would be blue robes vs red robes. Only gm crafted gear would be alowed nothing that had been ed to keep the playground as even as possable. All chat about fights to be kept in guild chat. Rules being broke gets you banned from house and removed from guild.

Now this is a great idea. Heck, if staff would agree, you guys could even get a special permission to fight all over the world, just a few places excluded - such as BB. It's much more balanced, it's ready to be done, no changes required and it'd only depend on the players to organize.


But anyway, I'm stepping off the discussion. I probably won't be engaging PvP in neither way, and should the first propose be accepted, all that join it will do at their own risk.
But expect me to quote some statementes of this topic, should we ever see any trouble on the forums due to this PvP thing.

[Harabakc]

Where did the idea that pvp had to be fair or balanced in any way come from? Why is anyone entitled to be on the same level as someone who has put in 2-10x the work of someone else? And what do ED alterations to items have to do with anything? There are multiple people who haven't donated that have high cost ED items/deeds/alterations because they earned the gold in game and bought them. Regardless of where they came from, they are available for everyone.

[fingers]

Would you like to play a game of chest with me, but i get 15 queens and one king, while you only get peons? I donated to the master of the tournament so it should be all fair. That will be a blast for me, i'll be 100 victories, 0 defeats, and I'll be able to tell everyone how much a fabulous chess player I am.

[Shal]

We did stay on topic, since we were trying to show some of the shard conditions - equipments, pets, all skills without cap, etc - as the factor that would make PvP unbalanced, and therefore, unadequate for Excelsior.

There is no such thing as "balanced" pvp!!

The only way to attempt a "balanced" pvp situation, in the way you all are talking about, would take all characters having the exact same stats, skills, and equipment. Then you still wouldn't have balance because someone would have a better ping, be faster with a spell, or be quicker to react or attack!!

This argument has went on at every server I've ever been apart of!!

We owned and ran a UO server for 3 years. We had the same discussions and fights over balance so we had an event for "balanced" pvp.

As admin I set everyone's skills and stats the same, we gave each person a tunic with 70 resists and all had the same weapons with no bonuses. In the end it was the same result, certain people complaining because so and so had a better ping or "he attacked early" or someone somehow cheated.

Don't get me wrong I love pvp! I ran the largest most active order guild on the first server I ever played on. But as I said in my earlier post I'm a realist! There will always be someone in pvp that is faster, better equipped, or just more skilled than someone else and you either take the loss as a learning experience and "grow stronger" and try again or you do what alot of player's do and whine about things not being fair or balanced.

Unfortunately, those that complain ruin it for the true pvper and make people feel the way the majority of the players here feel about having pvp in the game.

[Bubba Ho Tep]

Would you like to play a game of chest with me, but i get 15 queens and one king, while you only get peons? I donated to the master of the tournament so it should be all fair. That will be a blast for me, i'll be 100 victories, 0 defeats, and I'll be able to tell everyone how much a fabulous chess player I am.

Isn't that the true spirit of sports?

[Harabakc]

So use me as your example. What's going to be your excuse for calling it unfair now? I've never donated, ever.

Once again, things that come from ED are available to everyone, regardless of real life money.

[fingers]

There is no such thing as "balanced" pvp!!

There is a huge difference between having somewhat a faster connection, or a few more stats/skill points; and basically running in god mode.

For me, it really doesnt matter, I would have a huge advantage over most if not all of the players with my suit, wich includes 300+ hit points and 5 artifact rarity 70. I just don't see how it would be fun, nice or fair for the vast majority of the players, other than me, Black Death, Haraback and at most a few more.

An other example that just crosses my mind. Druid spell tree. 10 white wyrms and 5 artic ogre lords cant get me lower than half life. I see an enemy group and put trees down: god mode:-/

[fingers]

So use me as your example. What's going to be your excuse for calling it unfair now? I've never donated, ever.

Once again, things that come from ED are available to everyone, regardless of real life money.

Regardless if it's from donations or not, i scanned a suit yesterday that had 5300 Ed's of player service on, at the very least. Granted that a good part of it was in luck (3200 Ed's), we are still atlking about a 159 million gold suit.

Of course, the regular Joe that plays 3 times a week two hours of time can have that without donating, right? If he makes 600k a week (100k an hour being a reasonable average imo), he will be good to compete in 4 years.

[Harabakc]

How does that matter? Why should any of us care? You get out of the game what you put into it, that's how all games work.

So you're counting 3200 worth of ED in luck, and luck effects pvp how?

And for some of us older people, there were alternate sources of luck before some things were changed.

[fingers]

Using the word "granted" implies that that part is not for pvp, but still illustrates my opinion as some player do invest 159 millions or 5300 Ed's on their suit (wich could all have been put in weapon/armor layering).

Anyway, to sum my thoughts about all this pvp thread, I am firmly against it because:

1. There would be fights at places where some people not in pvp could be intimated, young kids, to name one category.
2. There would be AFK kills, and such.
3. People would whine about being ganked, not ready, unfairly treated, etc.
4. There are too many stupidly overpowered spells to enable pvp, namely trees, smite and clerical heals.
5 There are too many stupidly overpowered Pets to enable pvp, namely pack of nobles wich you cant outrun and each have 1000 hp, pack instinct and breath damage.
6. There are too many stupidly overpowered armor, that you can layer to combine incredible mods, making you almost unkillable.

[Sorgon]

Ok stupid question. When you layer an item you just change it from say a ring to a cloak or whatever correct? Or can you take an item and combine it with another?