Enough is Enough

[Rune]

+Veritas..that is why i play here

true like others mentioned ..talking about things like drugs cant harm kids and they hear it on radio and tv all the time
but i think its rahter nice that we are free of the *crap* here

i mean is it so bad that some of us like to have a safe haven?

if you want to talk about it so badly..would it kill you to use msn,icq or private vent channel?

[Jax2]

Veritas and others,

I hope my previous posts didn't come off as an attack on anyone. My stance on the subjects that were being discussed is far from supportive, which is what I was making clear. As I said, rayne re-read what I had to say and removed the warning. I am going to assume that your post, Veritas, was in reply to Rained, and not me, hopefully. I like the shard and plan on staying.

But again, as others have agreed with me, I see no reason why those of us who DON'T live in a bubble shouldn't be allowed our own chat where we can discuss opposing views on different subjects. I realize there are alternatives such as skype and such, but in all honesty, it's more of a pain to try and keep up conversations while tabbing back and forth into the game. An excuse? Perhaps, but it's a valid one. I don't see how it could be so difficult to have an 18+ chat room only, and no, like I said, not for people to curse and shout and w/e, just to have normal conversations with other adults that won't impede on all these supposed children running around.

Also, I have to say, the next time I see a conversation about religion, which I find vile, to be kind, I am going to page a GM and ask that it is stopped. I would be very interested in seeing what the results are.

[slate]

to top off what u said. easy fix would be a 2nd channel. besides that nothing chat is chat if something comes up we cant help that some how somewhere someone will offend someone. and i personally think if ur so worried about your kids..... y are u letting them play a game that has violence in it for 1? what harm comes of some mild chat. look at osi theres the chat all over the place or in wow its all over general chat the punishment for something thats rly outlandish is a warrning next is 3 hour ban next is a 24 hr ban and so on. a family server it may be but not a childrens game. and y use chat and not icq or a msnger? because u have to tab out of the game u cant hunt and chat at the same time. people play this game to have fun and chat im not deeming it appropriate to talk about sex or drugs no thats not right but anything up to that should be fine. This is what i think if u think diffrently thats ur own problem dont bother me about this post

[fingers]

I think there is way to much drama atm, lol.

How about we change lady melisande corrupted wine for lady melisande raisin jusce. That when we hit a monster down to 0 hitpoints it starts crying and drops his content on the ground while running away. Because frankly, atm, they die and they bleed! Lets change the bottles of ale for bottle of milk....

BTW, I couldn't help to notice the contrast between uoex slogan "Welcome to your new home!" on UO top 200 and some staffer saying thet this is not a democracy here, lol. Or some other saying you don't need to play here when whatever subject was brought to discussion. Just saying...

Have a great one and see you all later

[azure]

I love people that only want to hear their own opinion and not be bothered about it. lol And yes, mining, smithing, killing cartoon orges and taming is real violent stuff, I should have my kids taken away. And the talk on OSI is exactly why we play on free servers. Oh wait, i forgot this isn't an open conversationn, I am just posting to myself. Carry on, nothing to see here.

[slate]

haha i like ur post no i ment to not be bothered about that like u just did. and my goodness the games rated t for teen not e for everyone. your kids will learn some where some time what everything is this isnt the place to learn it nor should someone be harshly punished for saying something. theres appropriate chat and theres not. depedns where ur line settles at i can tell ur a jerk haha cant call u want i want to by the way ur being a smart a@# but thats your problem not mine. your children will hate u if u never let the experience the world. on the note of this tho yah this server is amazing im new here and hope to be perminate but it should be laxxer then what it is and if the current gms dont want to mess with this situation then they should appoint a new mod just to do this. make a set rule and keep it like that. we play this to have fun not to complain about each other and the ovvasional slip. (and btw its not that the games violent but if ur that protective of ur kid then y are u letting them play this instead of cartoon network games or maple story)

[slate]

and acctually what i ment by that post is that i didnt want to be judged by my opinion. not that i didnt want u to talk about it

[Calan Caitin]

I love the way things have to be so extreme. Because of the fact some topics are taboo, then everyone gets their panties in a wad and cry freedom. The game is rated T for teen and not E for everyone, but its also NOT rated M for mature. Glorifying drug use, which is what Metal was doing, is not what I want my children to listen to either. If he wants to travel down that road, fine. He can keep it out of public chat. He was asked, rather nicely I might add, by Coli to take his topic to a more private forum. He chose to continue with his chatter on public chat and was jailed. I can only assume the banning came from what he said to Rayne when she talked to him at the time of his jailing. After his punishment was up, all I heard from him was constant whining and raging about the injustice (he wrought upon himself by disregarding the rules of the shard) to the point I point him on the ignore list. You Slate should be ashamed of yourself for your comments saying her "children will hate her" and "you can tell she's a jerk". You have no clue how far off base you are there bud. The plain fact of the matter is this: Follow the rules the Admins set or go find another shard that fits your lifestyle, play style, maturity or whatever. As for the comment about religion being brought up... everytime I have seen religious, political, etc. conversations start up in public chat either players or Admin have given the same warnings Metal got.

Feel free to bother me about any comment I make here. I do ask to please make it an intelligent debate though.

[slate]

i wasnt aiming to offend just defend myself. her comment seemed aimed at me so thats how i took it. i took it as shes a jerk so maby shes not idk but she came off as 1.

[Calan Caitin]

and acctually what i ment by that post is that i didnt want to be judged by my opinion. not that i didnt want u to talk about it

That is a much better way to defend yourself than by resorting to name calling and mean spirited comments. Most arguments are started because of misunderstandings and if comments had been clarified a tad better in the first place most can be avoided. Stooping to low blows, name calling, threats, etc... gives the impression either one's maturity level is low or their intelligence is lacking.

[+Veritas]

Personally, I could care less what you talk about via PM and closed house conversation without the ability of having others pass by and read what you are saying. The problem was global talking about the matter, and continued discussion after being warned by a staff member to stop.

Again, this is a shard (like all other shards) where the coordinating administrator makes rules that he wants the players to follow. This person makes rules for us staff members as well, and we must follow those rules. These rules can change, just like you can change the rules to your own shard, house, club, or whatever it is you want to have or maintain. The coordinating administrator makes these rules to keep the shard running well and to keep the majority of people who are playing happy. This includes having rules that cater to all age ranges. For example, I personally know of many parents who wouldn't care about their kids playing a game where there is wine or blood puddles making up roughly 10 pixels, but they would care about drug themes and people openly talking over global chat about their recreational drug use and the legalization of weed. So, since there are no parents (that I have heard of) that are offended when people aren't talking about drugs around there kids, and there are probably no parents (who are okay on drug use) who insist on people talking about drugs around their kids 100% of the time, a rule that insists on the refraining from talking about drug themes would probibly encompass a larger group of people. Can't some of you have fun on this shard without talking about this subject in global chat?

Also, as much as some of you do not like this, this is not a democracy. It says nowhere in the codex (which you should read before playing on this shard) that every policy is decided upon by the players. However, I'm sure Colibri is more than willing to listen to ideas and your thoughts. However, there is no vote. What he wants, goes...period. Donations give you services and items otherwise unavailable, which are very helpful. They do not buy you a voice over others.

Sigh...I'm sorry that I am probibly making a few of you angry, but you must understand that as a staff member, my job is to help inform, serve, and maintain the shard for all types of players. I'm doing this to the best of my ability, and hope you understand my stance, and the stance of other staff members.

Good night,

+Veritas

[Skyla]

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+Rayne

I think Rayne made it pretty clear, so why exactly are we debating this? We are not the Admins, we do not make the rules.. we are people who choose to play here so we're required to abide by all rules set by the Admins. Does that mean you have to like the rules? No. Are you being forced to play on a shard that has rules you don't agree with? No. To be blunt, deal with it and move on or leave if it bothers you that much.

Don't get me wrong, nothing is wrong with a healthy debate, however this is a family shard, I highly doubt this rule being argued will ever be changed.

[Calan Caitin]

+Veritas's comments bring a question to mind. Wouldn't you think that someone who donates to the shard know the rules of the shard and have decided, prior to the donating, they are rules that they are willing to follow? I know I wouldn't just randomly pick a shard, donate my hard earned cash and then decide "hey, what do you mean I can't talk about sex, drugs, religion or politics whenever or however I want?"

Personally I like to use curse words, the F-bomb being my favorite. Knowing cursing in public chat is not allowed, I don't do it. They frown on cursing in church, the courtroom, etc also. Yeah, I know the filter is there, but we all also know there are ways to bypass it. I also like being naked. Since I live in the USA, and it IS a democracy, shouldn't I be able to sit on my porch or out in my yard naked despite all the neighbors and passerbys without being jailed? It's a democracy afterall.

[everwolf]

It seems to me that

1. we have a person that was talking about a topic that amember of staff deemed inproper and asked that person to stop over chat.( warning)

2. same person continued to talk about same topic and or argue with staff member and was 24 hour banned. (2nd warning)

3. same person after close to or after 24 ban should of ended according to that person began filling forums with posts to be let back on to play. This may or may not have been a violation of that persons current ban and may or may not have led to longer time for his ban.

4. same person makes additional characters on same or other accounts and disrupts the whole shard with chat in game and continues improper posts in forums moving up to threats etc.

5. Let me state that this person has disrupted my gaming time and ruined my enjoyment of the game. I also feel this person earned his punishment. What I saw of this persons over the past few days showed a good lack of judgement or respect for others.

6. We are supposed to be here to play a game and have fun. I don't remember there being a listing of the politics of drug use as a feature of the game. My common sense says that drug discussion would be a no go here. This is a family version of this game , not teen as some are saying and the shard description clearly tells you that.

7.This is the Staff's shard and rules, not yours or mine. If you do not agree with their ways or rules, you probably need to be looking somewhere else. There are other shards who are more tolerant or adult based about this paticular issue. Trust me when I say others are far less tolerant of you bending the rules or even giving warning.

8. When I came here I had questions of my own and sent a Pm to staff with my own concerns about the shard prior to commiting to being here. +Coli handled all of my questions and made it clear what was and was not acceptable here.

9.Anyone really want to stand up and say you signed up here to discuss drug use??? Thats not why you are here is it??

[indigowulf]

I must say, as a new player here, this debate is giving me a good view of the maturity level of some of the players here. Yes its a small sample. Overall Ive been impressed with the ratio of mature vrs not.

My 2 cents: anyone camparing this to OSI... arent you here because its different from OSI?