Champ spawn vote in at 3 full sides

[Rindon]

I think that the champ spawn vote-in should be at three full sides of red instead of the two. One or two druids can AoE down the mobs to 8 skulls in a matter of a few minutes making it impossible for others to join that they dont want.

i.e. Destard just came up and a few people were there, by the time it took me to run from fel gate to destard it was already at 9 skulls and locked out. This was while mounted and going directly there after being told. I know a lot of people fall into this category as well.

[Rindon]

I know no one has really responded to this but in light of the changes to the ps bag (for whatever reason it was done) this change should really be looked into. With only a few guilds that actively do champs it will really put the screws to the younger players trying to get 120 scrolls at a price they can even come close to being able to afford.
At champs I go to I always see WoE, LMC, TDC, and a few random people every now and again. In a matter of minutes the champ can be locked out at 8 skulls and keep any new players from joining.

This isn't a QQ thread either as I already have all the PS I need minus healing at the moment. Just trying to help out newer players from being blackballed at champs.

[Adrias]

Those of us in WoE almost always let people into champs

[Reese]

Those of us in LMC also let people into champs. We dont however let people in that stand right by our trees and tell thier 5 imprisoned pets to guard them. Not quite sure how long these people have been playing but when a pet is Guarding you something has to attack you first before your pet will fight. When standing at a druids trees with them casting volcano that attacks the mods. Now that means the druids are killing off the spawn cause your pets are doing nothing because the mods are being attacked by the druids before they have a chance to attack the person with pets.
Also for you imprisoned pet users or 5 nobles, I have been to a champ with 9 total people with nobody using 1 pet. All 9 people got scrolls.
Why would you want to make the lock out be 3/4s into it? That means pet users have more time to get to a spawn then gank the boss and cheat someone out of a scroll.

[+Colibri]

How about making each level to take at least let's say 2 minutes (even if you have the right number of kills, if 2 minutes haven't yet passed since the last level-up, then it will wait there, making monsters, but not progressing.

Although 8 candles is a solution too. Worth making a vote topic.

[Adrias]

Reese, I agree with you on saying that people who zerg champs with pets are a problem. I have done a few champs where I am there the entire time just to lose out because the champs just die too quickly to the pets. Is there any way to perhaps increase champ physical resist to 90-100%? this would perhaps ease some champs (neira, barracoon) that die in seconds to some pets for people who don't use pets (consecrate weapon is your friend). I don't think I have ever had any problems getting a scroll off a Master of Arts who has high physical resist.

I completely disagree on your take on the entire pet user vs druid spells for the rest of the spawn up to the champ though.

[Layfon Alseif]

I think this topic is just another crusade to have things changed. I believe people should reserve the right to vote people into a champ or not. If there is already 10 people at a champ it gets pretty crowded extending this vote to 3rd stage would open the possibility of having it 20 people which can cause the boss to be overwhelmed by pets and other players making it hard to even pull the bar out to attack him. If i see players doing a champ and its already past voting out of respect for their hard work I don't even try to join. There so many champ spawns all over the shard I don't see the point in having to join every single one especially not one another player has worked for the last 20-30 minutes. Seems unfair to me to make other players work even harder to do a champ because someone else wants to show up 20 minutes (10 candles) after its been up and then walk away with half the reward at the end for less then half of the work.

[Gwendolyn]

Those of us in WoE almost always let people into champs

ROFL LOL HAHA

That's a good one

*wipes tears from eye*

[Adrias]

Those of us in WoE almost always let people into champs

ROFL LOL HAHA

That's a good one

*wipes tears from eye*

why I said almost always. Also please don't harass me on the forums

[Side]

Rawr rawr rawr, I've been going to champs regularly for a few months now and I'll be the first to say there is NO guild on this server that votes yes with any amount of regularity.
On a non-pvp server like this, excluding people is one of the few ways to flex.

Make champs non-available targets for pets (it would be great if young player status could negate that) and nerf trees (so that a druids cannot solo the spawns, at least not while AFK scripting.) and everyone's problems are solved.

It's a multiplayer game and champs, at least it seems to me, were intended to be a group activity. Increase their difficulty to influence players to actually want to work together to receive a reward.

[rocketsurgery

[Fiacha]

I know no one has really responded to this but in light of the changes to the ps bag (for whatever reason it was done) this change should really be looked into. With only a few guilds that actively do champs it will really put the screws to the younger players trying to get 120 scrolls at a price they can even come close to being able to afford.
At champs I go to I always see WoE, LMC, TDC, and a few random people every now and again. In a matter of minutes the champ can be locked out at 8 skulls and keep any new players from joining.

Interestingly enough those guilds are ones with ps bags, basically they can do champs, get scrolls, combine them and sell them for as much as they like. I don't feel the voting system needs changing, it's more like when you are at a champ with only one other person and someone else shows up and you vote them in and the other person says no over and over again, that's really sad. I understand when there are 6 or more people, but only 2...why would the other person not say yes. Maybe there can be a way that people can keep coming in until there are 6 or so but none of the late comers can take out more than 3 pet slots or something like that.

[+Chaos]

i tried [rocketsurgery once... the results were amazingly catastrophic... and fun

[Spendy]

I would just like to add to this thread ... This would be a good idea

I have been playing this shard for just under 1 year now ... And have yet to be allowed to do a champ spawn . I have tried many times , but always not been voted in . It just seems unless you are in one of the bigger guilds , you have no chance of doing one and improving yourself .

As for the whole arguement of pets etc at spawns .... how the hell do you expect new players / inexperienced players to learn things like that , when you don`t allow them to participate ?

Anyway , I didn`t want to turn this into a moan .... sorry .... just really riles me

Safe playing folks

[Steve]

NERF NERF NERF, why do people keep wanting to nerf stuff? gonna keep this short...if your determined enough to to a champ then you WILL do a champs, if you take it as an occational "oh mabey il check on so and so" then its not realistic at all especially with around 200 online at a time.

its a game, ehy not try to enjoy it rarther than take every oppertunity to complain.
(and no i wont learn to spell!)

[Nelapsi]

I really don't do champs anymore unless by accident, even then I try to avoid it but let me add this. There was a change over the summer to create the hit points of the champ due to pets causing the champ to melt prior to people being able to target. In the few I have done since then, I think it works. I have no problem with the voting, win some lose some. I agree that most guilds do tend to stick with themselves but after all, they are a guild aren't they? I know I can get from the fel gate to destard running before 3 druids can lock it down, so it is possible. Does that mean I can always make it, no there could be more people there and lets not forget lag. I learned not to run after champs that have been announced in public a long time ago. I do know if I go out looking for a champ, I will eventually find one though so maybe this is the answer. Stop waiting and start looking, yes I know that is a hassle and time consuming, even sucks too but if a power scroll is what you are after then start running.

As someone stated above this is a multiplayer game and the key to success with champs is friends and on Excelsior I am glad I have some good ones.