Which pet would you rather use?

[Devlin]

Please keep in mind to compare these as if they were maxed/ointed! That means 1.1k HP/550 Stam, Max Str/Dex/Resists, etc. Everything is the same then, except abilities (firebreath, poison, etc.), damage type (cold, fire, etc.), pack instinct, and if they can be ridden.

Predator Hellcats - Pros: Has firebreath. Has pack instinct. Does 25% fire damage. Cons: These are nobles. They just aren't as fast, they do 25% fire dmg instead of 60% energy, and you cannot ride them.

Scorpion - Pros: Has level 5 poison and is immune up to level 5 poison. Has arachnid pack instinct (giant and frost spiders.) Cons: Poison doesn't stack. Pack animals are best on the same target.... Yeah. Although, on separate enemies, poison should do a lot of damage. *shrug* Poison/packie don't really mix. However...

Giant Ice Worm - Pros: Has level 3 poison and is immune up to level 3 poison. Does 80% Cold dmg/20% Phys dmg. No pack instinct, so no downside like the scorpions. Sick these on multiple targets; they'll do more damage than a scorp would solo (because they have 1k str) and still have the poison as well. Cons: Only level 3 poison.

Frenzied Ostards - Pros: Can be ridden. Has pack instinct. Seem faster than most pets, but not like nobles. Cons: No special attack.

Rideable Pack Llama - Pros: You can ride it. And it has a backpack. Cons: No special attack. And it's a llama. We have horses/squirrels running around killing stuff. We don't need llamas. Pick something cooler. If this was a choose your own adventure, you'd have to go back to page 31.


Some other pets I considered were:
Frost Spider - does cold damage and has arachnid pack instinct, would go well with scorpions. Nice combo.
Lava Lizards - has firebreath. Would be very strong solo, but a maxed mule wins.
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[Adrycks]

I did start working on scorpions. But i have a feeling that i need to keep my oint for what is coming in the futur. Maybe new animals to tame and train in elysium or Touria. Idk . Already asked +Nyx if the scorpion could be ridable but they are to low and it would look weird.

And with the Time i have to play it would be a long process. But i really like want you and yoda are doing. Its Nice to see a diversity of animals killing Stuff around

[Wil]

A ridable pack llama is a cheap but low-powered mule that breeds much more easily than mules. You won't be working succubi, balrons or champs with a team of ridable pack llamas. They can't deal enough damage. Anything lower powered is toast. And like mules, you can actually carry away the loot. In recall-only areas you can still exit with 1000 stone of loot on your mounted llama.

By the time you can work up scorps or hellcats you can just as easily work up nobles. They lack a pack, but a team of four nobles (while you ride a pack llama) hits very hard.

[Yoda]

I think you missed the point of devlin's post.

we know you can use mules or nobles. but I think his intention is what else COULD you use.

anything maxed out can take down balrons and such, a maxxed pack of pack llamas could very easily dole out enough damage to take out a balron, with little to no issues. but as Devlin said is neither fun nor interesting

[Devlin]

Exactly. A fresh rideable pack llama would die immediately. I'm going to oint them to 1k str/hp, 550 stam, etc. so they are like mules. Once maxed, everything is the same. Just abilities, damage type (cold, energy, etc.) and if you can ride them changes. and pack instinct

[Wil]

anything maxed out can take down balrons and such, a maxxed pack of pack llamas could very easily dole out enough damage to take out a balron, with little to no issues

Actually, I tried to take down an MOA champ with a team of maxed ridable pack llamas once. It didn't work out. Just a bunch of 1's scrolling up the screen and the durn thing regened faster than he took damage. Someone came by and laughed at me 'cause, of course, they couldn't join in once the champ was out.

Ridable pack llamas can eventually take out a balron if you're quick enough with the healing, but it's not especially easy and you're likely to lose one in the process.

I haven't tried with my battle cattle, but I'd expect the same result.

[Yoda]

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Actually, I tried to take down an MOA champ with a team of maxed ridable pack llamas once. It didn't work out. Just a bunch of 1's scrolling up the screen and the durn thing regened faster than he took damage. Someone came by and laughed at me 'cause, of course, they couldn't join in once the champ was out.

Ridable pack llamas can eventually take out a balron if you're quick enough with the healing, but it's not especially easy and you're likely to lose one in the process.

I haven't tried with my battle cattle, but I'd expect the same result.

this sounds to me like they were maxxed in stats, but didn't have their skills trained.. as in wrestling, anatomy, tactics, magic resist. I have witnessed maxxed pack llamas from highroller (which did have their skills trained) do both of these things relatively easily, and he was in no danger of losing pets in either case, nor were they doing very low damage.

pets like a pack llama come out as a baby with 0 in all of those skills.. and they require time on a trainer to be effective. a llama does physical damage with full skills there is absolutely no reason for them to do 1 point of damage against an moa, none.

[Devlin]

Again. Exactly.

Actually, I tried to take down an MOA champ with a team of maxed ridable pack llamas once. It didn't work out.

Were they truly maxed? Or just used all their ability points? I'm talking about spending 4000 oints to put two Gen 1's up to full stats, like the mules I sell. 1100 HP/550 Stam/1000 Str/250 Dex/Max Resists, etc. etc. etc. Then I breed and sell maxed/ointed pets. At that point, everything does 17-25 damage and everything has the same stats.

The only thing that changes then is
-Abilities (firebreath, poison, etc)
-Damage type (cold, fire, energy, etc.)
-Mount?
-Backpack?
-Pack Instinct?

So while the llama has no special damage type or abilities, it has a mount and a backpack, which might outweigh poison or firebreath to some. Look past freshly tamed pets/ones you see in the wild. Imagine they're like mules, just a little less uber

[Wil]

Again. Exactly.

Actually, I tried to take down an MOA champ with a team of maxed ridable pack llamas once. It didn't work out.

Were they truly maxed? Or just used all their ability points? I'm talking about spending 4000 oints to put two Gen 1's up to full stats, like the mules I sell. 1100 HP/550 Stam/1000 Str/250 Dex/Max Resists, etc. etc. etc. Then I breed and sell maxed/ointed pets. At that point, everything does 17-25 damage and everything has the same stats.

1000/500/1000/250, 75 all resists, 100 wrestling, tactics, anatomy. 70 armor on most of them. Bred to max but not ointed. Even I'm not crazy enough to burn oints on an entire team of llamas.

[Annachie]

I'm working on chickens. No reason I just want to let lose the chooks of war.

[Yoda]

biodiversity is good

[Devlin]

Well, seeing as votes are tied at 3, this was a fail

[Shindaril]

Tough decision between these alternatives, but I'd probably lean over the Predator Hellcats myself. Their firebreath is based on their current HP, thus meaning a nice damage when maxxed. Personally, I don't care if I can ride a pet or not, however, I'm not too fancy about fire damage as there are high fire resist creatures and few immunes as well. That being said, there are plenty of poison immunes which makes poison probably the second worst damage type right after physical.

I haven't had much time to play lately due to studies and work, so my breeding process is frozen for the time being, but I'm aiming to test the Ice Hounds to see if their paralyze is worth it. Depending on how often they use and connect with it, I'd add hell hounds which share the same pack instinct and have the firebreath ability. They'd also complement each others by having divided damage types of fire and cold along with physical.

All in all, I don't like pure physical pets at all and also the poison damage is largely resisted or nullified in UO. I did go through the trouble getting myself a nice 340+ str pack of imprisoned dogs for the sole reason of their damage type over the more common squirrels and ferrets...Though I only use pets against three creatures in the game . I started the hound breeding only to open a different playing style during those times I'm bored tanking myself and against common creatures the Ice Hounds seem to connect with their paralyze quite nicely. True, they are dogs of a kind, but remember, they're called "hounds" instead

[Pariah]

Predator Hellcats win! Let's end the voting now...

[Gaara]

I was 50/50 on the kittens vs ostards but i voted for ostards in the end